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FRANKFURT, Aug 25 (Reuters) - The suspect in custody for a stabbing rampage in the western German city of Solingen that killed three people and injured eight is a 26-year-old Syrian man, authorities said early on Sunday.

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[–] roboto@feddit.org 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

The far right is still the biggest problem we have. Needless to say this was a horrible incident and no one wants fucking Isis around, but far right terrorism is still a much bigger threat to our society.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Fair enough as opinions go. More interesting would be facts and figures. A good place to begin: annual number of fatalities caused by terrorism of each of those two variants.

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The German internal secret service (BfV) counted 1148 violent right-wing offenses in 2023. There were 329 violent offenses with "foreign" ideological background (this includes islamism among many other things) in 2023. Source PDF

I should probably note that BfV is known for being a little blind to right-wing extremism too.

Previous BfV president Maaßen has in the meantime become the leader of his very own right-wing party. I do trust current BfV president Haldenwang a bit more than him but I don't think he's been able to unfuck the organization as a whole.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you. And fatalities? We can all surely agree that this is an important metric.

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not listed. But I am almost certain there's some proportionality here.

[–] roboto@feddit.org 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah here you go: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/06/terrorism-far-right-white-supremacists-911-us

The guy from Norway, the guy in New Zealand, the guys in Germany were all nazi shooters mowing down immigrants. But politics and media call them lone wolfs or disoriented kids and it has nothing to do with their nazi manifestos vs if they’re Muslim it’s a problem of Islam as a whole.

I don’t blame anyone for actually believing that Islamism is real our biggest threat because media and politics make it seem that way.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But in fairness I believe those numbers vary year on year, and some years the figures are wildly different. After the Syrian influx for example.

I don’t blame anyone for actually believing that Islamism is real our biggest threat because media and politics make it seem that way.

Cards on the table. I believe, like most people do according to opinion polls, that it is a bigger threat. And obviously I can't prove this but I am also more or less certain that I am at least as informed as you, from at least as many sources. For what it's worth - and this is purely for context - I work in a media-adjacent field and have humanities degrees in different European languages.

So perhaps this is not a case of mass indoctrination, but rather simply of individuals having different values.

[–] roboto@feddit.org 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Did you read the article? It doesn’t talk about one specific year and covers also the period after “the Syrian influx”. Far right terrorism consistently beats Islamist terrorism both in terms of frequency and lethality.

Regarding your second point it would just help reading the article that I linked. You may believe that you’re informed but still your feeling goes against hard facts. You asked for statistics, we gave you statistics, you still refuse to change your mind so I don’t see any point continuing this conversation.

[–] oberstoffensichtlich@feddit.org -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

One helps the other if you hadn’t noticed.

[–] roboto@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And water makes you wet. Doesn’t change that the far right is our biggest threat, which is something you deny.

[–] oberstoffensichtlich@feddit.org -5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Our biggest threat by far is catastrophic climate change.

[–] roboto@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago

Hard agree but that’s completely irrelevant in this context.