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[–] JustMarkov@lemmy.ml 53 points 2 months ago (4 children)

four programs to make Linux boot media

Or you can use one Ventoy to make a boot media with four Linux ISOs.

[–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] blitzed@noauthority.social 8 points 2 months ago

@AlligatorBlizzard @JustMarkov

Only FOUR ISO's?

I forget the number, but I maxed out a 32GB flash drive with an absurd amount of ISO's *LOL*

Wowzerz, this new external NVMe I need to format, how many ISO's can I shoehorn onto 1TB, and the boot speeds will probably blow my mind \0/

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

What are some recommendations for putting Ventoy on your main USB (with other contents instead of just ISOs)? I need to find the guide I saw, it mentioned some configurations to prevent it from searching every directory for ISOs

Also while I'm having some federation issues, the linked website can be subscribed to from here :)

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[–] JustMarkov@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

https://www.ventoy.net/en/doc_search_path.html

tl;dr: create a .ventoyignore file inside the folder you want Ventoy not to scan.

[–] mle86@feddit.org 4 points 2 months ago

Alternatively when creating the ventoy installation you can chose to leave X amount of space behind the ventoy partition and then create your own data partition there afterwards. You lose the advantage of "dynamically" sharing the available space between ventoy and your data, but with the seperqte partition you can use whatever filesystem you like for your data, and there is a clear seperation between ventoy and your other data.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Only 4? Those are rookie numbers

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Need a bigger dongle.

[–] Drusenija@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have Ventoy on a USB stick, tried to use it recently for DBAN and it didn't work, is there any way to get around that these days? Haven't looked into it recently.

[–] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It works for Ultimate Boot CD, which includes DBAN and a lot of other fun stuff.

I play with retro hardware and Ventoy has also worked for me with some weird old isos that even Rufus didn't work with (XP/Server 2003 multidisc from eXPerience that uses a Linux bootloader?)

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[–] funbreaker@kbin.run 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I like Ventoy because I'm an ISO hoarder but if the task needs a dedicated USB, then I'll open Etcher.

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don't.... understand.... the downvotes. I do the same thing though I never really get to the Balena Etcher part. Also, Ventoy is the only way to get a Windows ISO up and running from Linux, as far as I know.

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The down votes are from the Etcher part, it has a cult of lovers and a cult of haters.

I'm l fine with people using Etcher, Rufus, or whatever works for them, but I'm aware that both software I just named has passionate haters.

[–] Blaiz0r@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Etcher is not recommend anymore because it's adware and there are better free alternative like Impression

[–] funbreaker@kbin.run 3 points 2 months ago

I'll check Impression out, thanks!

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[–] TheFool@infosec.pub 24 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I really don’t get why I should use anything else than dd

[–] julianh@lemm.ee 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] jaxiiruff@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Not everyone likes to use commands for something as trivial as this, its nice to press a couple buttons and wait for it to be done vs learning how dd works and what arguments to use etc.

[–] foudinfo@jlai.lu 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

My favorite way to create a boot media is simply to use cat. No arguments, no shenanigans just a cat into the device :

cat debian.iso > /dev/sda

[–] neodc@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 months ago

Replace cat with pv to get a progress bar for free

[–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

iirc there was a reason you should use dd instead of directly copying the data, I think something to do with device block alignment or something?

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[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

One caveat is that you will need write access to the drive, which probably means you need to run as root


can't run that with sudo as-is, unlike dd.

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[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 5 points 2 months ago

Not everyone likes to install compicated graphical software which does a thousand and one things it shouldn't do just to copy files to an external drive

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[–] Thrickles@lemm.ee 16 points 2 months ago

Great suggestions. The Ventoy bros are weird. Just use what works for you.

[–] megabat@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

dd, or cat with a shell redirect are all you need to write that iso.

My trouble with dd is all the flags I need to remember to make it fast and more convenient. dd if=file of=/dev/device oflag=direct status=progress bs=1M is there anything I'm missing?

[–] Molten_Moron@lemmings.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

bs=1M

This part varies based on your hardware (my hardware is much faster with a value of 4096) , but other than that it's everything.

Here is a handy script that can help determine which bs size is best for your hardware.

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[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

dd can be soooo much faster too. But like you, I always forget the tags. I should make an alias sometime...

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[–] oo1@lemmings.world 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Lpt: root your Android phone so that you can dd the thing in case the screen breaks.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 2 points 2 months ago

Also a super useful tool for measuring real world bandwidth, both on physical media and over the network ( dd status=progress ... | nc ...).

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Nice thing about GNOME DE is it comes with Gnome Disks. Select device, click the restore image button and point to the ISO

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I like how simple Mint's USB image writer makes it for newbies, both to look it up in the menu as well as the simple UI

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

Yes, mint is good like that. GNOME has a separate Image Writer app/icon, but it has been turned off by default. So it is less discoverable for new people, but more simplified as is the GNOME way

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or you could just install it on any other system with Wayland or x11.

Gparted works fine for me, so that's what I use.

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[–] jaxiiruff@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Fedora Media Writer is the best, I hardly use BalenaEtcher but its good too incase the former doesnt work

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't burn ISOs often enough to need a dedicated ventoy drive, or to remember how to use the DD command, so Impression is generally what I use. I generally prefer Libadwaita/GTK4 apps that look at home on my system.

[–] ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Does impression support Windows ISOs? Or only ISOHybrid (what Linux ISOs use so you can add them)

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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 points 2 months ago

Little known fact, Disk Manager comes with almost every distro, and works just fine.

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 months ago

I do use Ventoy, but a more "traditional" alternative that I like is Popsicle. Super lightweight, and works very well. Some cases do require a dedicated USB, where Ventoy won't work, at least not without trickery (e.g. anything with persistent storage).

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's also an old and jumbled-up format paralleling .gif in a surprising amount of ways, including being never intended for its primary usage, still being popular, and newer formats proving much better.

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[–] briongloid@aussie.zone 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I generally use the Raspberry Pi Imager, It works just as well with USB's as TF cards.

GitHub repo

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[–] otter@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago
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