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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 23 points 2 days ago

Bruce is a billionaire. He's on their side.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 days ago

And remember, there's no ethical billionaires, no matter how much philanthropy they do. Their billions are out there exploiting people.

[-] BugKilla@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Philanthropy is just the wealthy justifying their tax avoidance by wanking publically about how giving they are. If they were genuine about their concerns for giving back, they would pay their fucking taxes and at a higher rate. Tax avoidance and financial shit fuckery like corporate bailouts, share buy backs and COVID payments accelerate wealth acruell and drive up inflation and wage stagnation. Fuck. Them. All.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 118 points 3 days ago

Batman was a CEO of a company.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago

not to mention he's a psycho himself. instead of using his seemingly infinite wealth to engage in any real systemic change, he puts on a fucking bat costume and prances at night to beat the shit out of low level goons while letting the biggest maniacs and the ones leading these gangs run away every time.

[-] SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 days ago

I don’t mean to direct this at only you, but I hate this take. There are plenty of comics that dive into this, him using his wealth to help Gotham, the city just had too many problems. Court of Owls for instance, the group that is always watching Gotham and influencing it state and its key figures.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

don't worry i don't take it personally. I'll look into the court of owls.

[-] SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

One of my favorites story arcs. I do agree with you to some degree though because there are a lot of comic book writers that have a habit of romanticizing his wealth, that’s why he does come off as a “typical billionaire” most often. Then it is up to the next writers to mitigate the damage. Comics are tricky like that, you just have to pick and choose your own head canon.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago

instead of using his seemingly infinite wealth to engage in any real systemic change, he puts on a fucking bat costume and prances at night to beat the shit out of low level goons

Some of the better Batman comics introduce him as skilled detective, rather than a superhero whose power is infinite money.

Like any good crime thriller, his work starts with some innocuous crime or tragedy that gets swiftly covered up by corrupt police. Batman steps in as a noir vigilante, listening to the witnesses everyone else ignored and tracing the crime back to the low-level thugs who serve as pawns in a much bigger game. He extorts them for information in order to move on to bigger fish - the crime boss who runs the docks or the sleazy businessman who thought he could pay to make a problem go away - and uncovers a deeper systematic corruption. He runs into various freaks and geeks - your two-faced DA or your web-fingered club owner - who facilitate the city-spanning crime. And, in the climax, he discovers the whole system is rotten, even to the point where his own Wayne Enterprises is complicit in these cruelties.

He discovers the limits of vigilantism, its not just a question of biting into a few bad apples, but tearing the rotten tree out of the earth root-and-branch. And he realizes its too much for one man to change. So he goes back to that first original witness/victim, and he brings him back to his cave. And he sets himself to training this survivor of a broken system how to fight crime like he does.

The best Batman stories aren't the ones where he punches a Clown Prince out of a factory window. Its ones in which he pulls another scared child out of the wreckage of his parents' home and gives him a second chance at life.

[-] tehmics@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Wish we had this instead of a growling guy in a mask headbutting a clown

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 8 points 3 days ago

Well he did have his parents murdered in front of him as a child.

That shit twists people.

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[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago

Pretty sure theres a lot of batman media that confirms that people hate him because he basically just protects the rich. They even call him a billionaire playboy.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 16 points 2 days ago

You're thinking of Poison Ivy.

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 129 points 3 days ago

My brother in Christ, Batman is a billionaire CEO.

[-] sunzu@kbin.run 34 points 3 days ago

Yeah but he is on "our team" though!

People can't spot corpo propaganda, a lot of educating to be done.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

The joker isn't the disease in Gotham, he's the symptom. In a world where the effort of an individual results in proportional gains, where people have a home, family, and attachments to their community, there is no joker. The populace is innoculated against his desire to tear it all down, because they have a stake in "it all". The few that are vulnerable to his views, are getting the support and care they need from trained staff, and the people around them are keeping the joker away. Batman isn't in Gotham because of the Joker; the Joker can exist in Gotham because of Batman, a billionaire who spent his efforts and resource on violence, instead of outreach.

Plus, giving OSHA some teeth, and forcing corporations to compensate fairly for workplace accidents, and regulations requiring the inspection and certification of toxic chemical plants would have stopped the joker, and countless other tragedies, at a fraction of the cost.

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[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 194 points 3 days ago

No. Unequivocally no. This might make sense on its face but it misunderstands Batman at a fundamental level- Batman is a hero who cannot make sense. He is severely mentally ill and craves change physically and instantly wrought by his own two hands.

If a CEO were doing something outlandishly and visibly evil then they might find themselves on Batman’s radar, but exacerbating wealth inequality is just not something Batman usually cares about. Would it make sense for Batman to do something about it? Yes. Absolutely. Would the crazy 100 kg gymnast dressed like a giant bat, who has made a nightly ritual of shattering the spines of impoverished criminal dockworkers do that? No.

Now daredevil, daredevil might find himself beating the ass off a shady Manhattan CEO. But daredevil is sane, reasonable, and goal oriented and Batman is just not.

[-] ch00f@lemmy.world 58 points 3 days ago

Yeah, doesn’t the dude consider Batman his true identity and Bruce Wayne the costume?

[-] projectmoon@lemm.ee 53 points 3 days ago

Depends on the continuity and who's writing it, but often yes. He was notably portrayed this way in the Justice League cartoon.

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[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

In most modern versions, yes. He’s just survivor’s guilt held together by a ceaseless run of violent distractions and related obsessions. Not the one to call on your union busting boss.

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago

but exacerbating wealth inequality is just not something Batman usually cares about

In fact, being a mega-rich himself, he's probably best buddies with those CEOs so long as they don't do something so outlandishly evil that he has to go after them for publicity reasons.

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[-] Foni@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago

I once read that Superman was a humble man who faces big exploitative businessmen, while Batman is a big exploitative businessman who stands up to homeless people. The implications of Batman being more popular than Superman today and what this says about our society is enough for a complete essay.

Or Batman's more popular because he's a more interesting character. Superman can only experience kryptonite so many times before you start to suspect he never actually left the planet Krypton.

[-] Foni@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

Maybe, or maybe they have bad writers because they are not able to imagine credible stories in which Superman's strength is useless in the face of the corruption of the system and the businessmen who abuse their power, no one would believe stories like that, you need to add kryptonite to make it realistic

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[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Superman was already going after CEOs when Batman was first created. Batman was always a hero for the right wing.

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[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 69 points 3 days ago

No he won't, batman fulfills every billionaires fantasy of dressing up in a costume and beating up poor people.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

That's the internet pop-psychologist interpretation, but the people actually writing him often have him doing his best to better the Gotham around him. A lot of the petty thugs he catches are given chances to redeem themselves via Wayne based welfare programs.

[-] AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Yes. Not one really questions why Gotham has such a high crime rate, but where there's poverty there's crime. I think we need a working man's batman.

Someone whose super power isn't having infinite resources.

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[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 17 points 3 days ago

Are we going to pretend that Wayne Enterprises isn't likely 1 of those 100?

I think that's kinda the point of the comic...

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[-] criitz@reddthat.com 107 points 3 days ago

Batman WAS the CEO of companies

[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

And there's no solidarity like class solidarity. Remember Ellen Degeneres hanging out with Bush? Bruce Wayne would've been in that skybox too.

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[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 95 points 3 days ago

Yes the billionaire that spent a shit ton on money on gadgets to beat up poor people would definitely be a champion of the people

[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

He also beats up rich people, like the Penguin. The Joker and Riddler and all those guys get their crazy gadgets and hordes of minions somehow. They must be rich af

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago

You've got Batman mixed up with the Punisher, OP.

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[-] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 58 points 3 days ago

You're aware he is a CEO of a company?

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago

I thought Lucius Fox was the CEO. Bruce Wayne is chair of the board.

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[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 3 days ago

I think more Superman.

He is just a working class guy, both his wife and his own job are probably getting replaced by AI, his mother pension keeps getting lower and his dad died because he couldn't afford proper healthcare.

Also his arch nemesis is already a Billionaire.

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[-] Delusional@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

And politicians. Clearly corrupt republican politicians who are trying to destroy democracy for some reason.

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 40 points 3 days ago

Like Lex Luthor, who hes fought on several occasions? Or more like the Court of Owls, one of his recurring set of villains?

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[-] Achyu@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 3 days ago

Batman is a CEO, right?

He just goes after the ones he can beat without much backlash from the public/system.

Imagine if he takes down a CEO. He'd not be able to play batman. Gordon and batman sympathisers would be affected, so Batman's human connection in the police would be lost. He can hack stuff, but might not always be enough.

He can do other stuff, but he can only do it gradually and much more tactfully.

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[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

Why do you people make up such obviously false head cannon. This is degenerate shit lol.

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