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[-] jadero@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Maybe if the mandatory service were installing fiber to rural areas the way we managed to get copper out there or dealing with infrastructure (especially water and schools) in Indigenous and remote communities. Maybe health care or emergency response.

But guns and bombs? No thanks.

Also, I'm old enough to be exempt by any rational measure. If it came to a vote, my vote shouldn't be counted.

[-] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago

Or building socialized housing 🏘️🛠️

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

I'm glad I'm starting to get to be old enough to be exempt for any mandatory national service but damn if that wouldn't make this country worse overall.

[-] jadero@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago

I agree. I'm also not a huge fan of rebranding "military conscription" as "national service". There have been people talking about "national service" in ways that specifically excluded military service. This feels like yet another case of the right stealing a term from the left and redefining it to suit themselves. It's something they have been doing with national and religious symbols and slogans forever as a way to hide their true intentions.

One thing I find particularly concerning is that military conscription has generally been reserved for invasion or active defense. What are they not telling us?

[-] villasv@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 month ago

Decent article but senseless headline. Nobody ever positioned mandatory service as a method to make Canadians love their country...

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

A conservative columnist, this is a reply to them but the first one's opinion might influence people's opinion and conservative programs.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 month ago

Probably not nobody, but that shouldn't be the main point. We don't want to be defenceless anymore.

That being said, I don't look forward to being drafted into such a shitty military culture.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 month ago

Nobody is seriously talking about mandatory service in Canada are they? The draft and conscription have been political suicide in Canada for basically the country's entire history as an independent nation. To my knowledge, the only countries where national service has any political traction are countries with a threatening neighbour right on their doorstep like Korea and Israel

1st world countries like Singapore and Norway have mandatory service too

[-] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The incumbent (Tory) party in the UK has included national service in their campaign leading up to next month's ~~federal~~ [edit: national] election.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c988jdxl02vo

The proposed new scheme would not be conscription, where people are legally required to join the armed forces for a period. But it would compel people by law to complete a community programme over a 12-month period, or enrol in a year-long military training scheme, when they turn 18.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah the article mentions that. And it mentions some conservative newspapers here are supporting the UK tories. But is anybody seriously talking about it for here?

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I hope not, but conservative bad ideas do seem highly contagious.

[-] Z3k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Sorry to be that guy but it's just too jarring to me

We don't have federal elections it's a general election.

[-] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Apologies, corrected to national. More importantly, how do you feel about the incumbent party in your country planning to introduce soft conscription?

[-] Z3k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I don't think conscription is really the way to go. Make people do a thing they don't want to do then hand them a gun makes me nervous.

Besides how is he paying for it pretty sure the military is one of those things they constantly want to make more "efficient"

[-] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago
[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago

Then he can be the first one to be conscripted.

What a waste of skin.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

Source? I'm no fan of PP, but I haven't heard that he would actually support this.

[-] Yorick@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Switzerland does have a mandatory service for all men, and doesn't have belligerent neighbours... But the Swiss army is still very much stuck in the cold war mindset of being afraid of an invasion. Last time there was a vote, the people refused to abolish the militia system.

Tbh I don't think military service is a problem as long as it's only used for defence and is properly setup, instead of have nutjobs running the small professional army and wanting war because they trained their whole life for it...

[-] Someone@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

I mean it's worth it for the cool knives alone.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Nobody is seriously talking about mandatory service in Canada are they?

The NatPo article that this article is responding to is the first time I've heard about it in recent years.

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[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 33 points 1 month ago

I thought it was the UK Conservative party suggesting that, it's happening at the same time in Canada too?

[-] Azteh@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

According to the article the conservative party in Canada has also suggested it, in order to fix the "hate" young Canadians are starting to have for Canada.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago

Young Canadians don’t hate Canada; they hate the boneheaded ideas thought up in Parliament and they hate that they’ve been priced out of owning a part of Canada.

If you don’t have a voice or land, and see no hope that you ever will, why would you be happy with how things are?

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

they hate the boneheaded ideas thought up in Parliament

Such as this bonehead "national service" idea that a few conservative parliamentarians are suggesting?

This idea isn't one coming from the NDP or Liberals.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 month ago

This is the first I've heard of it, but apparently Canada's Conservatives are interested. Conservatives always seem to have an ear out for the worst ideas from each other.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

According to the article it’s the UK but Nat Post has jumped on it

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 month ago

How about we just tax the hell out of the rich people and billionaires in the country and use their money to pay for all our problems?

Then we can talk about national service after if that doesn't work

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago

Could take back the 18B of tax credits, interest free loans and grants given to the oil and gas sector last year?

[-] nick@midwest.social 30 points 1 month ago

As an American this is depressing, Canada was always me mental escape hatch. “Well I’ll just move to Canada if shit gets to bad here”

Which I know is hella reductive and not nearly as simple as it sounds, but who needs logic

[-] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 46 points 1 month ago

Outside of gun control and health care, Canada is USA minus a few years. The same stupid cultural shit happens here too just a bit later

[-] TQuid@beehaw.org 27 points 1 month ago

Moved from the USA over 25 years ago. Never moving back, though I visit. I sum it up like this: “Canada: better than the States—and no better than that.”

We sadly keep using the wrong yardstick. Or metre. I do like that we have metric.

[-] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 1 month ago

Especially in Alberta

[-] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

it's not all bad. soon they'll get cellphones and flat screen tvs!

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[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 month ago

Does the mandatory national service pay $30+/hour, with raises if you stay voluntarily after the mandatory period is finished? That might do it.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

$30/h today and still $30/h 20 years from now and they'll wonder why people are upset again.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Classic "our model doesn't work anymore for some reason". How about instead of pay we try to "modernize" it with [insert buzzword]?

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 11 points 1 month ago

Let’s modernize it with AI that will get the kids interested.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, that was my first thought. If it was a guaranteed well-paying career like it used to be maybe it would change the mood in here. Otherwise, no, it's just a way to have a less pathetic military.

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[-] Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Canadian government just wants mindless drones. They care about the general population as a resource.

If they cared, they wouldn't have let things get like this, and they would actively be pursuing ways to make things better.

Edit: I should add voting reform would have been massive if the liberals followed through with that. As it stands now from my personal perspective, it's the wealthy and powerful vs the general population.

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

We're going to reform the voting process! Wait, we won? Never mind the process works great!

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 13 points 1 month ago

Who said anything about love? The government just wants them to shut up and obey orders.

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago

What, you mean people wouldn't want to potentially for for a country that abandoned them before service and had a history of doing so after?

[-] ID411@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago

It teaches you how to suffer more quietly

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 6 points 1 month ago

Strict parents make sneaky children.

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

"Mandatory national service". Sure, and I'm certain that the same Conservative governments that famously underfund everything in the military will surely fund this adequately.

After all, nothing's going to make you love your country like being conscripted and having to take a year off when you're on the verge of incurring massive amounts of debt, with no chance of owning a home and no employment prospects. Does this "Mandatory national service" include paying conscripts? Because I'll bet it doesn't.

Tell you what, let's conscript the Boomers. After all, they've already made out like bandits, have a fuck-on of equity and significantly less debt and a ton of time on their hands. Hell, it'd even free up jobs that Boomers are clinging to like fucking limpets to a rock. Let's see how much they "Love Canada" then when they have to take an unpaid year off for it.

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