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According to documents from Microsoft's recent case against the FTC, the Xbox Series S is more popular than the Xbox Series X

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[–] ForgetReddit@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As someone who doesn’t own an Xbox I have no idea what the difference is and that’s a huge knock on their marketing and product teams.

[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

X is the flagship console, while S is the lower cost version. They’re both current gen.

[–] Jimbo@yiffit.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh I thought the S was the refreshed last gen Xbox One?

[–] Vordus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, that's the Xbox One S. This is the Xbox Series S.

[–] all-knight-party@kbin.run 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's hilarious. I'll never understand why they named these consoles in such a way

[–] Vordus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It becomes even more confusing when you think about the fact that the Xbox One is not the Xbox 1, which was just the Xbox. And that the Xbox One X, the souped up version of the Xbox One, can be abbreviated as the XBOX, which again, is not the original Xbox.

[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Don't forget they skipped 359 console gens on their second try.

[–] w2tpmf@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They made a full revolution, not just a slight turn.

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[–] ForgetReddit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

These people are beyond stupid. Every single one of them needs to be fired.

[–] beefcat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They thought people would be confused by the Xbox 2 going up against the PlayStation 3 so they deliberately adotped even more confusing names.

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not really. If you were going to buy an xbox, you would either just buy the cheaper version, the more expensive version assuming its just better, or look up the difference.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ehhh consumers will figure it out

lol

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Consumers who were already going to buy an xbox will figure it out, the rest will just buy the cheap one

[–] YourAvgMortal@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

look up the difference

Sounds like too much effort

[–] 2000mph@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It makes sense. It may suprise a lot of people on here but their biggest market is not the people who demand 4k 60FPS in all games and will riot if they don't get it. Their main market is kids playing FIFA and Minecraft and other casual gamers who just enjoy fun games at a reasonable budget. For that they really got it right with the Series S.

[–] Grangle1@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Nintendo understanding this market is a big part of how they've been outselling MS and Sony in the Wii and Switch generations despite being behind on hardware power.

[–] manapropos@lemmy.basedcount.com 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Makes sense because the Series S is dumb cheap. Only the Steam Deck can compare in terms of value

[–] tal@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] pory@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Compete in terms of value, not price. The series S gets you Xbox's current gen game library and a selection of 360 games, and if you're willing to use dev mode a powerful emulation suite. Deck gets a huge percentage of Steam's 20-year catalog as one-click installs, most other PC games that don't use anticheat as slightly more involved installs, every PC game if you want to install windows, and also a powerful emulation suite. Plus it's a dockable handheld instead of something that needs a monitor and controller.

The series S has better media apps and can be woken up from the couch, though.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

the steam deck is also just a regular ol' PC so you can use it for non-gaming stuff like making a lil' drawing on the go, or plug in some peripherals and just.. use it like an honestly pretty okay performance desktop.

[–] Desistance@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Steam deck is a mobile PC. That's infinitely more valuable than a locked down platform device.

[–] tal@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, I would rather have a Steam Deck too, but then we're getting into how much people value openness versus price, and that's definitely not a constant; some people aren't going to care much about openness.

That said, if I were trying to compare Valve's offering and Microsoft's offering, I'd probably compare a desktop PC running Steam to the XBox, as they're more-physically-comparable in terms of what they can do; the Series S doesn't have one having to pay for mobility. If one were comparing to a mobile console, then sure, the Deck is a legit comparison.

I still would say that the XBox Series S is going to be cheaper on the low end, though, than a desktop PC. You can get a $279 PC that can play games and a comparable controller, but I'd bet that it'd be more-limited than a Series S.

That being said, Microsoft sells the XBox at a loss, and then makes it back by jacking up the price of games:

https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-says-xbox-consoles-have-always-been-sold-at-a-loss

As VGC points out, Wright was also asked if there's ever been a profit generated from an Xbox console sale, which she confirmed has never happened. To put that in context, Microsoft has been selling Xbox consoles for nearly 20 years now, including the original Xbox, the Xbox 360, Xbox One, and now the Xbox Series X and Series S. In all that time, every single console sale cost Microsoft money.

The reason game consoles end up being profitable is through a combination of software, service, and accessory sales, but it's still surprising to find Microsoft has never achieved hardware profitability. Analyst Daniel Ahmad confirmed that the PS4 eventually became profitable for Sony and that Nintendo developed the Switch to be profitable quickly, so Microsoft is the odd one out.

We know that consumers weight the up-front price of hardware disproportionately -- that's why you have companies selling cell phones at a loss, locking them to their network, and then making the money back in increased subscription fees. I assume that that's to try to take advantage of that phenomenon.

If you wanted to compare the full price that you pay over the lifetime of the console, one would probably need to account for the increased game price on consoles and how many games someone would buy.

Now, all that being said, I don't have a Series S or a Series X, and I'm not arguing that someone should buy them. I have a Linux PC for gaming precisely because I do value openness, so in terms of which system I'd rather have, you're preaching to the choir. I'm just saying that I don't think that I'd agree with the above statement that the Deck is as cheap as the Series S.

[–] Phanatik@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would argue that the Steam Deck's emulation capabilities surpass the Xbox. It might not play the latest games at amazing quality and performance, but it covers a wide breadth of games, far wider than what Xbox supports.

[–] Vordus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on whether you're willing to spend $20 to turn your Series S into a devkit, at which point the S can be an utter beast for emulation.

[–] dudewitbow@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Alternatively 2$ if your region is set to Turkey.

[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, for a long time the Series S was all I saw in stores.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The “S” had a good two years lead in availability, so anyone who needed to replace their console got that. Anyone impatient got that.

Personally I gave up after two years not being able to get my kids X’s, and instead built gaming computers with them. No more xboxes

[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I've been waiting for a game that will be worth it, that I can only play on a new console, and so far I haven't seen one. I'm closer to upgrading my graphics card than getting a new console at this point.

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[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well yeah, most people are still using 1080p TVs. Your average console gamer doesn't need 4K, nor do they care about framerates. They just want to play games*.

[–] Capitao_Duarte@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 1 year ago

As an average gamer, i say you are right!

[–] analisys@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I have both X and S and love the S. It's almost portable, small, slick and gives enough power to enjoy games when I'm not in front of huge tv.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I own a Series X, but I also own a 4k TV. So, for me, it made sense to spend the extra $$$ and get a console that could truly utilize my TV's capabilities. If I had a 1080p TV, I probably would have gone with the Series S.

[–] maxprime@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I always figured that was exactly why they had both consoles.

[–] scottywh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I own a Series X and a 4k TV but I actually use it to game on my older 1080p TV.

I bought the Series X for the disc drive & larger internal storage primarily with the better overall specs and performance just being a bonus.

[–] ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's an absurd value. I have two that I just use as media centers and the house. You can also travel with it very easily. About the same size as my switch one you put a travel case on it.

[–] TrustingZebra@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wouldn't buy one just for media. Even premium media players like NVIDIA SHIELD TV or Apple TV cost less than Xbox Series S.

[–] ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And they don't also serve as a current gen console.

[–] TrustingZebra@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well sure, but you said you just use them as media centers. Unless you count games as media too. But for just viewing streaming services there are cheaper options.

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[–] Grangle1@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Heck, a Roku Streaming Stick is enough for me in that regard and many smart TVs have that stuff built into them by now.

[–] doctorzeromd@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

I feel like that's like saying the MacBook air is more popular than the MacBook pro...

[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Neither is very popular..lol

I know of 3 people in my life that have owned or do own an xbox.but almost everyonw i know own or have owned a playstation

Generally theyre not super popular outside of the US.

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