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[-] Sneptaur@pawb.social 174 points 1 month ago

Importantly, if you have already opted out of sending data to Mozilla, this change will not affect you. It only sends data if you have the setting turned on. It takes just a few clicks to entirely disable it, and Mozilla deletes all record of your browser within 30 days from turning off this feature. If you're worried about it, do it now, it's just under Settings > Privacy & Security. Instructions are also linked in the blog post.

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 74 points 1 month ago

I'm not a fan of the telemetry being enabled by default but having the option to completely disable it makes it not that bad. Though Mozilla definitely doesn't need search history data (unless the law enforcements told them to collect it) so this change is kinda sus

[-] Sneptaur@pawb.social 38 points 1 month ago

It seems like a profit-driven thing to me. Big piles of anonymized data are worth a pretty penny.

[-] ID411@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago

Mozilla famous non-profit status notwithstanding of course

[-] fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Mozilla Foundation has a wholly owned subsidiary that is Mozilla Corporation that is for-profit.

For instance the revenue from Google, so they’re the default search engine, is seen by Mozilla Corporation. So things search-related will indeed be part of their for-profit arm.

[-] Vincent@feddit.nl 4 points 1 month ago

It's technically for profit, but it has a single shareholder: the Foundation. There are no greedy shareholders that can get rich off of that profit.

Of course, employees/board members can be richly compensated, but that's independent of for-/non-profit status.

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[-] Sneptaur@pawb.social 10 points 1 month ago

A non-profit can, in fact, profit, but it has specific rules on what it can do with those profits. Tax law is a rabbit hole and I don't even wanna peer in

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[-] Vincent@feddit.nl 6 points 1 month ago

From what I read in their blog post, nobody is keeping your search history data. It only tracks how often people in general search for things in specific categories, so nobody will be able to learn anything about you specifically from that data.

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Then what's the point in collecting such data? It won't help to fix bugs, add new features or even make useful statistics to show publicly. Only personalized ads is what comes to mind. Yes it seems to be anonymized well enough but still ad companies love such data. Maybe Mozilla wants to implement a custom ads functionality that uses this data or they just want to sell it idk. Still changes in this direction are kinda sus

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[-] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 77 points 1 month ago

I'm on the "OK but keep an eye on it" train, here.

Devs need feedback to know how people are using the product, and opt-out tracking is the best way to do it. In this case, it seems like my personal data is completely unidentifiable.

I was coding in the IE6 era, so I'd really prefer to not end up in a browser engine monoculture again.

[-] Reawake9179@lemmy.kde.social 30 points 1 month ago

I don't need freaking suggestions from the browser, that's the job of the search engine of my choice.

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago

most search engines don't keep anonymous search data so that's what firefox is trying to fix.

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[-] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 73 points 1 month ago

To disable it in about:config

browser.search.serpEventTelemetry.enabled = false

browser.search.serpEventTelemetryCategorization.enabled = false

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[-] BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de 73 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Its exactly this kind of bullshit that firefox should not do...

[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 45 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This looks fine, the browser just puts your search into a category like "health" or "tech", then sends the amount of each category completely anonymously.

Also, if you've opted out of data collection already that setting applies to this too.

[-] mouse@midwest.social 21 points 1 month ago

I agree. I am someone who values their privacy and often does not like opt-out style analytics however I also know opt-in skews analytics. The way the searches are only categorized, and they are using Oblivious HTTP keeping IP addresses private makes me A-OK with this.

[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago

This is the best take so far, I totally agree

[-] not_a_king@beehaw.org 30 points 1 month ago

i know they're a company and they need to float, but this should be opt in not opt out

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago

Yes but we really should be grateful to have a somewhat mainstream open-source browser with a great ecosystem of extensions and ability to turn off the telemetry. It could've been much worse

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[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 month ago

Opt-in telemetry is useless telemetry, they make it opt-out because its the only way to get representative numbers

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Why do you need unwilling representing numbers in the first place? Just ask advanced users on the official forum about what they want to see added. You only really need error logs that are absolutely opt-in

[-] jackalope@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 month ago

"advanced users" on forums are rarely very representive of users as a whole.

[-] drwho@beehaw.org 19 points 1 month ago

The number of people who actually change their default settings is quite small. Those of us who have these discussions are a distinct minority in the sum userbase.

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

I used this fact a lot in arguments and I agree. What I'm saying is that it could be worse

[-] drwho@beehaw.org 5 points 1 month ago

And I agree with you.

[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago

I have not seen a single case where advanced users have the same opinions as the average one

[-] heavyboots@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 month ago

All we want is 1990s Google, guys. That's really all we want. None of this AI BS that kind find a country in Africa that starts with a K, just Google without the evil enshitification layer on top.

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I think people forget how awful google pre ~2008 was. Not in terms of the bullshit they do nowadays, just in quality of results really.

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[-] lud@lemm.ee 25 points 1 month ago

Remember, you can always opt out of sending any technical or usage data to Firefox. Here’s a step-by-step guide on how to adjust your settings. We also don’t collect category data when you use Private Browsing mode on Firefox.

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

firefox develops an optional predictive search feature like every other search engine and browser has that actually protects user privacy that can easily be turned off so naturally the internet loses their mind over it and declares firefox dead.

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[-] antler@feddit.rocks 18 points 1 month ago

As much as I hate to say it, Firefox is a privacy mess.

Pocket and Fakespot have very bad privacy policies. The Windows version has a unique Mozilla tracker if you download the installer from the website, and the android version has Google Analytics built in. The existing and new telemetry is a but heavy, but it's anonymised so it's really the lesser of the various evils.

My recommendation is LibreWolf & Fennec as alternatives.

[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

The important part that you should know (and should already be using):

Remember, you can always opt out of sending any technical or usage data to Firefox. Here’s a step-by-step guide on how to adjust your settings.

[-] PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago
[-] TCB13@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Innovation and privacy go hand in hand here at Mozilla

As well as profits and corporate interests.

People speak very good thing about Firefox but they like to hide and avoid the shady stuff. Let me give you the un-cesored version of what Firefox really is. Firefox is better than most, no double there, but at the same time they do have some shady finances and they also do stuff like adding unique IDs to each installation.

Firefox does is a LOT of calling home. Just fire Wireshark alongside it and see how much calling home and even calling 3rd parties it does. From basic ocsp requests to calling Firefox servers and a 3rd party company that does analytics they do it all, even after disabling most stuff in Settings and config like the OP did.

I know other browsers do it as well, except for Ungoogled and because of that I’m sticking with it. I would like to avoid programs that need no snitch whenever I open them. ungoogled-chromium + ublock origin + decentraleyes + clearurls and a few others.

Now you’re free to go ahead and downvote this post as much as you would like. I’m sorry for the trouble and mental break down I may have caused by the sudden realization that Firefox isn’t as good and private after all.

[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

I genuinely didn't know all that. Thanks for bringing that up. I've been lazy and told myself countless times I should switch to LibreWolf. Now's the time.

[-] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

clearurls

If you use the “AdGuard URL Tracking Protection” under Privacy in uBlock Origin. Also add Actually Legitimate URL Shortener Tool & ClearURLs for uBo. You don’t need ClearURL.

You can add lists by going to Filter lists -> Import… at the bottom of the page -> C&P the URL in the box -> Apply Changes -> Done.

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[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago

To improve Firefox based on your needs, understanding how users interact with essential functions like search is key.

Buddy, I just want to type a search term and get results. Stop spying on my search. Your only job is to transfer it to the server and then present the result. I don't need you to suggest some bullshit to me, or think of "ways to improve search".

This helps us take a step forward in providing a browsing experience that is more tailored to your needs, without us stepping away from the principles that make us who we are.

No. What the fuck? They are sounding more and more like Google. We need a new alternative that isn't built from Gecko or Blink or whatever the engines are called.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[-] ID411@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago

lol use a fork - I’m sure they’ll have it turned off. Writing a browser engine is non-trivial.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago

Buddy, I just want to type a search term and get results.

Telemetry can help them do better at providing that. Devs aren't magical beings, they don't know what's working and what's not unless someone tells them.

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago

That's like saying the window pane between me and the teller has to understand the conversation and dynamically modify the light between him and I. The window pane's only job is to let light through. Keep it at that.

Anti Commercial-AI license

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[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago

Telemetry doesn't need topic categorization. This is building a dataset for AI.

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[-] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Here’s the current list of categories we’re using: animals, arts, autos, business, career, education, fashion, finance, food, government, health, hobbies, home, inconclusive, news, real estate, society, sports, tech and travel.

No pr0n?

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