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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 206 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Peaceful... until the cops show up and get violent with the protestors.

[–] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works 83 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Bingo. Cops excel in escalation.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They’re thoroughly trained in deescalation tactics, then use inverse language to justify self defense and charges.

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Honestly that's kinda optimistic compared to reality.

Warrior cop training needs to fucking stop.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Absolutely. The “identify and neutralize threats” approach is a huge problem, but that’s not the strategy they use for escalation. They don’t flex overt authority to incite a reaction. They use manipulative tactics and false representation of the victim’s language or behavior to frustrate and confuse them into overreaction. I’ve been through enough deescalation training to recognize the inverse tactics they frequently use in altercations.

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

We see the same escalation tactics in some European countries, where Police gets a 2-3 years training plus regular on the job training. They know exactly what and how they are doing it.

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

this is what always makes me insane. police presence inherently increases tension because oh now here's a gang of jackbooted thugs with guns and tasers and the power to ruin your life and/or murder you and get away with it, just hangin out. just tryna keep people safe.

i mean that shit must only work on the boomeriest boomers, right? that would only help at a particularly rowdy Kenny Chesney concert

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 56 points 2 months ago

It kind of sucks that having literal video proof of how it all went down doesn't actually matter. They just say whatever they want, and so many people will never look into it, just take their word.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (16 children)

Too bad Biden and other "moderates" Dems care about as much about facts and logics as trump does.

Their donors want them to shit on protestors, so that's what they'll do.

Biden's going to fuck around and let trump win because he can't stand up to Israel.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)
  • As of right now he is still blocking that dumb bomb weapon shipment.

Should he have done it sooner? Absolutely, but it is a step at least, now let’s see what happens when push comes to shove.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I may just be to cynical at this point but I don't trust that at all. It's just a pause.

Biden has structured that block as a "Type 2" decision. It creates the illusion of standing up to Israel but it allows him to instantly and unilaterally completely reverse it as soon as public attention has shifted.

Given history, I expect that's exactly what will happen. Once the IDF murders enough people in Rafah, they'll be "done". Then they can pretend that they've turned over a new leaf and definitely won't do any more genocide. Biden will congratulate them and resume all the weapons shipments, including sending the stuff that's currently being held back.

Short of restructuring this as a "Type 1" decision, there's little reason to think this is anything beyond theatrics.

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[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

[serious] why are there so many 'moderate' biden stans on this site (not you, but generally)? i thought lemmy was the sort of leftist reddit alternative

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because it's a misrepresentation of people defending Biden and leftist in general.

Just because someone defends Biden doesn't mean they support him. There's a lot of hyperbolic invective being directed at him. And he definitely has himself to blame for some of it. Expediting CONGRESS'S shipment of arms to Israel. And trying to stay as neutral and diplomatic as possible in the face of the horrors Israel is unleashing.

It seems suspicious how narrow the focus is on him however. With literally no one pestering their Congress critters who could actually do something about all of this. Sure we should pressure Biden to lead better. But if people actually wanted to get things done and not just virtue signal, they'd be yelling at Congress more.

And finally leftist != accelerationist. Some, like ML know their ideology isn't an actual improvement over capitalism. That the only way they could convince people to switch to their ideology is to destroy and degrade things much like capitalists do to other countries. But plenty of us lefties think both of them are wrong and pragmatically try to work to make things better.

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Biden is the face of the Democrats. He is the president of the country and the supposedly strongest leader in the world.

Of course the focus is on him. In the same way when you talk about the French government the focus is on Macron, or talking about Ukraine it is Zelensky, talking about Germany it is Scholz and talking about China it is Xi.

All of these have different levels of formal power, all of them have different political systems, but all of them are expected to lead, to organize their political power and to take responsibility for the work of their administrations.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I can't stand biden or the dems, and I would rather have lobster's chew on my balls than vote repub. But at the end of the day, trump would hand the keys to gaza and the west bank over to Israel and gladly sweep the blood under the welcome mat.... he'd do the exact same with Ukraine and russia...so while I can't stand the blue team, we're going to get the world on fire if trump and repubs are elected. Anyone who thinks that trump is worth the gamble is full on delusional.

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Anyone who thinks that trump is worth the gamble is full on delusional.

these Anyone are primarily the Biden administration, the DNC and the Israel supporters in the party. They'd rather want Trump to take over the country, than stand up to Israel and uphold international and US law.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure the mainstream media has a different take that they’d like for me to buy. Didn’t a foreign leader say antisemitism is running rampant? He certainly doesn’t have an agenda!

This surprises me exactly zero.

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[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Repubes are comparing campus protests to Jan 6th

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago
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