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A strain of bird flu known as H5N1 or highly pathogenic avian influenza has made a worrying leap to cattle herds across the US over the past month. This development has sparked "enormous concern" among health experts, including the World Health Organization's (WHO) chief scientist, who warned of the virus' "extremely high" mortality rate in humans.

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

“Almost all dairy nowadays is pasteurised and that will kill the virus,” Rossman explains. “So for the vast majority of people drinking milk, there’s absolutely no reason to be concerned.”

“The only potential concern at all would be people that are drinking unpasteurised milk. But of course, if you're drinking unpasteurized milk, you also have a risk of a lot of other infections that could occur.”

The states affected so far are Idaho, Kansas, Michigan, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas and South Dakota.

In the US, the FDA has banned sale of unpasteurized milk, but that only affects stuff that crosses state lines; they don't have authority to ban within a state. Some states allow sale of unpasteurized milk -- stuff gets produced and sold in the state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_raw_milk_debate

Idaho and New Mexico, both affected states, permit sale of unpasteurized milk directly in stores.

And this doesn't just affect some person who is absolutely determined to disregard health advisories and drink raw milk in those states. If the virus jumps to humans there and begins human-to-human transmission off one of them, the whole world can potentially be impacted.

I mean, with COVID-19, we spent a lot of time early-on dinging China for having wet markets that helped create risk for disease jumping animal-human barriers. This is also not good.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

And you know the same mouth-breathers who rejected all factually accurate information about COVID-19 and vaccines will just refer to this as the next "plandemic" and pretend viruses aren't real. Some will go out of their way to visit farms and drink milk straight from the cow's udder just to "prove" there's nothing to worry about.

[–] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

I can already hear the cries of "99.7% survival rate!" and "Give me hydroxychloroquine or (and) give me death!"

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don’t know if it’s widespread or not, but at least in Virginia they wouldn’t stop you from drinking raw milk from “your own cow” so you could buy “shares” of a cow allowing you to have some percentage of the cows raw milk output.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, they talk about it in the WP article I linked to -- that's a "herdshare". That's also an issue, but at least the barrier is somewhat higher than just cruising down to the grocery store. You gotta be more of a True Believer and go out of your way to take part in one of those.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herdshare

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If H5N1 continues to rapidly mutate and makes the jump to human to human transmission in the same way it has with bovine hosts we are in for a rough ride. A virus with a 50% mortality rate will unquestionably collapse the global medical system, and the global economy right behind it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Considering how many times in my life I've been told society is about to collapse, I think I'll take my normal wait and see approach.

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But you could freak out instead maybe it will be a fun change of pace.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Eh, I out-freak outed myself 20 years ago when Bush got into office.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

50%?

That would collapse society. Power, transportation, communications, agriculture all rendered non function for years in a best case scenario. Where do you see that this has a 50% morbidity rate in human-like animals?

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Here you go:

"From 2003 to 2024, 889 cases and 463 deaths caused by H5N1 have been reported worldwide from 23 countries, according to the WHO, putting the case fatality rate at 52%."

Source: The Guardian

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Well I hope the vaccine we have ready to go works, because a disease with the communicability of the flu with a mortality rate of 52% is absolutely the end of human civilization in any recognizable sense.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I dunno about 50%, but Native Americans had a >90% mortality from European disease at the time of the Columbian Exchange, and it messed them up pretty badly.

The Black Death killed maybe 50% of Europe's population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death

The Black Death was the second great natural disaster to strike Europe during the Late Middle Ages (the first one being the Great Famine of 1315–1317) and is estimated to have killed 30% to 60% of the European population, as well as approximately 33% of the population of the Middle East.

That didn't end European civilization, but it was a cataclysmic event, left huge scars.

Though they also had shorter supply chains and such, were maybe more-resilient to disruption.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

It’s a matter of being different societies, occurring over different lengths of time, and being global instead of regional.

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Unfortunately there is not a prophylactic vaccine available yet. Even if there was one we are talking about potentially hundreds of millions of dead in developing countries who would not have access to it immediately. I'm not trying to be a doomer, but I think the concern is warranted.

[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah but the strain currently infecting cows is mostly asymptomatic is it not?

[–] Classy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

OP casually stating that this disease has among the highest mortality rates

[–] Shizu@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] TxzK@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] shani66@ani.social 7 points 2 months ago

Unironically lockdowns were great.

[–] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 12 points 2 months ago

Oh no, and the "return to office" policies?/s

[–] shani66@ani.social 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Feels pretty cool to know the future before it happens, less cool to know it'll be horrible though.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, avian flu jumping to humans happens constantly. It's just that this strain is particularly bad.

[–] TheWeirdestCunt@lemm.ee 15 points 2 months ago

Avian flu does regularly jump to humans yes, but usually it’s directly from the birds. The big risk this time is the fact that it’s already spreading between mammals meaning that it’s more likely for it to mutate to allow for human to human transmission.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Regular carnist W

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

It should be rats! We know how to cure every single rat disease.