Going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing that's the original cartoon and this is a play on the irony of the post-modern revelation of many of capitalism's failures.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

Not only that, this isn’t real X is just a bad road to go down in. You need to define what system you want and judge if you met the plan, not some ideal.

[–] Inui@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago

Which 'Victims of Communism' number are you using for that? The one where they include all the Nazis killed, as well as their potential children and potential grandchildren who didn't even exist yet?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

How?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

nah not really

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You need more skulls for communism.

[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

think of a number that u think communism killed between 1920 and 2020 just whatever u can imagine just add up all the made up numbers u have seen in all ur favorite propaganda and keep that number in mind and open the spoiler below.

spoiler

last year more than 20 million people died in capitalist countries from perfectly preventable causes such as starvation and disease and thats without even counting how many people were murdered by imperialist countries and their puppet around the world to maintain capitalism.

idk what number u came up with but i grantee u it was less than 2 billion. and ur number is an exaggeration while mine in an under estimation.

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

2 billion? Or 20Million?

[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

20 million times 100 years is 2000 million or 2 American billions

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hmm "last year" data might be very different over 100 years. It tends to increase towards later dates so its weird to assume its constant

[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

true, i wast trying to say that capitalism killed that many people in that specific period of time just that over a period of a 100 years at the current rate of murder it would be way more than the ridiculous number of death attributed to communism during that time. but i totally see how it could be misunderstood

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago

Capitalism kills more people each decade than even the wildest numbers capitalist chuds have ascribed to communism, and yet here you are. A stable genius.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

except that it doesn't as anybody who's minimally literate would know

[–] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wish I had the same brainless high hope for something.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Your capacity to ignore the real world is the only thing that's brainless here.

[+] TypicalHog@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism kills millions every yesr despite a surplus of resources and production to meet everyone's needs, but some right-wingers say it isn't true Capitalism because the state gets in the way.

[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

when u point out the atrocities of capitalism to some libs they will say dumb shit like "its crony capitalism thats the problem" as if "crony capitalism" or whatever other excuse they come up with (like trying to separate colonialism and capitalism) was not an inevitable and intended result of what they call "real capitalism"

[+] InputZero@lemmy.ml -9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

'Capitalism is the worst from of economy, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.' - modified Winston Churchill quote. While I know how I use the quote in my head isn't how Churchill intended, to me it means don't settle for something just because it's the best option that's currently available.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The sheer amount of ignorance required to believe this is equal parts astounding and depressing. Here's what currently existing options to this despotic system are currently achieving https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience

[–] InputZero@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

Ok pal slow your roll. I'm on your side and you're right. I said what I took from his quote not what it actually means and definitely not how it's used in pop culture. I know what it means. You can call me lazy, cause I don't bother to really explain myself well online, but please don't call me ignorant. You come across as looking for a fight and that doesn't make me want to actually engage you in a serious discussion.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Wow amazing, industrialization lifts people out of poverty... never would have realized. The problem with China is that currently, akin to the later stages of the USSR, they're only redistributing the wealth insofar as that means reprivatizing and consolidating in new hands, not actually redistributing from the wealthy minority to the majority, but creating a new wealthy minority.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Weird how industrialization isn't lifting people out of poverty in places like India the same way. Wonder what might be different. Maybe a smarty pants such as yourself could enlighten us. 🤔

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

A far right corporatocratic government that makes exactly zero effort to help the people? I'm not saying China is exclusively bad. The USSR was the only 'country' able to successfully play catch up with the west industrially. The problem is when the authoritarian government get old, realize they don't own anything to secure their families' continued lavish lifestyle, and reprivatize. I literally went to school with a guy whose grandpa was pals with Mao. Guess whose family is now worth billions and lives a lavish lifestyle in a mansion in Northern China?

I'm not trying to argue socialism is bad, just that it can't be achieved by an authoritarian government to significant effect.

That's where the value of democratically achieved socialism comes in, but it would have to be somewhere with an incredibly secure democracy and secure economic status, as the capitalist (elite) forces from outside and within will always work to destroy/impede socialism.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

A far right corporatocratic government that makes exactly zero effort to help the people?

meanwhile in the real world https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience

The problem is when the authoritarian government get old, realize they don’t own anything to secure their families’ continued lavish lifestyle, and reprivatize.

Authoritarian is a nonsensical term, every government holds authority by virtue of having the monopoly on violence, the only question is whose interests the government serves.

I literally went to school with a guy whose grandpa was pals with Mao. Guess whose family is now worth billions and lives a lavish lifestyle in a mansion in Northern China?

again, welcome to the real world https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25495509/

That’s where the value of democratically achieved socialism comes in, but it would have to be somewhere with an incredibly secure democracy and secure economic status, as the capitalist (elite) forces from outside and within will always work to destroy/impede socialism.

China already has democratic socialism. Only westerners pretend otherwise.