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I myself am really on the fence about this.

I hate what Reddit has done, as I was removed as a moderator on my sub. But I much prefer the UI to Lemmy so far. I’m also having a hard time understanding how this all works. I was familiar with Reddit, and it is obviously a way more active community.

But I also used Apollo and hate how they’ve done him so dirty.

Will you guys return if Reddit rights it’s wrongs?

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I don't plan on going back to Reddit in a major way. After giving Reddit up, I find myself thinking over my experience on that site for the last few years. Engaging commentary was harder and harder to find, particularly in any sub of sufficient size, and I spent a lot of my scrolling through Reddit angry. Leaving Reddit has been a wake up call for me. It's a rat race on Reddit, and I don't need that in my life anymore.

[–] Weird_With_A_Beard@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

sadly... yes. I'm just not finding the community here that I built up there over 11 years. I know, I know, give this 11 years and we'll get there, too... but it's still over there.

I did the whole "delete all comments and posts and replace with the API reasoning text" thing, for my main and my few alts. BUt I find I still am heading over there on browser through old.reddit and lurking.

[–] Kelsenellenelvial@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Same. I might stick around both for a while and see how it goes since I see big benefits and big drawbacks on both platforms. Same idea as why I use Plex instead of Jellyfin in that as much as I want to support open source projects, and am willing to pay a moderate amount to do that, the commercial platforms usually just have a better finish and feature set, as well as a simpler interface for people that don’t live in the tech world.

That said, there’s maybe a dozen subreddits that I really care about, so if those communities came over I’d probably follow. Most of those aren’t populated by the kinds of tech enthusiasts that are looking for an open-source/distributed/etc. model, they’re people that just want to be able to talk about their niche hobbies or connect with others in their industry, regardless of what the back-end looks like. Honestly, I’d even be okay paying a reasonable amount to stick with Reddit(as it was last month, maybe not as it is today), it sounds like they just need to be more open to finding a solution that’s reasonable for the third party app developers instead of just laying down the hammer and them plugging their ears. Problem there though is I suspect the people that I like to engage with on Reddit aren’t the ones making a big impact on Reddit’s revenue. I suspect Reddit can go ahead and lose those high engagement users and still make bank on ad impressions from front-page lurkers, and that’s why they’re not looking to play ball.

[–] downtide@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

Only if Spez leaves and is replaced by a decent CEO who reverses EVERYTHING that Spez has effed up in the past few years. I'd return for some small niche communities I participate on that aren't present in the lemmy-verse (yet). But I'd stay here too. I am committed to Federated services now.

[–] IanM32@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm keeping my account live so that I can still interact and ask questions in threads when I get taken there by search results. Reddit ultimately shows up a lot when looking for solutions to technical problems.

As far as browsing and contributing, I think I'm sticking with Lemmy. Things are just starting to get good.

[–] CoolBeance@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Same here with the search results, though I expect that some of those results will become less reliable over time as more people leave Reddit

[–] Monkeyhog@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Nope, I've already deleted all of my comments and posts on a 10+ year old account. They can go straight to hell. Fuck them.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago

If RIF survives or returns, then I will probably go back to reddit occasionally. But I haven't missed it since the blackout, so I will probably only use it for a reference and not a community to comment in.

[–] Haily@rblind.com 3 points 2 years ago

Nope. Not a chance. I have no love for giant corporations, and Reddit has always been particularly shit even by that standard. Say what you want about the evils of Meta / Google / Apple, ETC ETC ETC, but at least they generally try to keep their users happy, or at least using their platforms. Reddit just seem to have absolutely no idea what their users want half the time, Reddit premium anyone? The way they handled, or rather failed to handle, the accessibility issue also leaves a rather bitter taste in my mouth.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure. I think I want to stay here.

[–] OverfedRaccoon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Spez is doubling down. He's shown his hand. He's lied. It's like watching Anakin's descent to the dark side. He's too far gone.

I don't really think there is a going back. The watering hole is poisoned. There's no more good faith. And, I think for a lot people, especially people here, it's a matter of principle at this point.

I might check in on certain niche subs that don't move on to other platforms, but the days of gleefully doomsctolling are over.

[–] mintberrycrunch@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

IMO the response was even worse than the initial change. That is what put it over for me.

[–] kinther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

At this point, no.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Lemmy will continue to improve and Reddit will flush itself further down the toilet.

[–] unattributed@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Most responses I've seen have centered on spez's actions, but I have a bigger reason for saying no.

Ever since the Conde Nasty days Reddit has gone in a direction that would be abhorrent to Aaron Schwarz. For this who aren't aware, Aaron was one of the original designers and developers of Reddit.

Anyway, I feel that reddit is now something of an insult to Aaron's legacy. Spez has made it worse by pissing on his grave.

[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 2 points 2 years ago

https://static.xtremeownage.com/blog/2023/what-happened-to-reddit/

100% fuck u/spez.

They have messed up pretty badly, and anyone who still trusts them, is wearing a blindfold.

[–] Octospider@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago

No. It's a pain in the butt to migrate from Reddit, but it's a blessing in disguise. The decentralized approach is much better and more future proof against bad actors. Having 1 site (or person) holdng all the cards is not something that should appeal to anyone.

[–] ilickfrogs@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Up until 3rd party app devs announced they're converting their apps to Lemmy? Yes.

Now, absolutely the fuck not. Reddit is a cesspool compared to when I first joined in 2013. Lemmy feels a lot more like reddit did then. It's quaint and cozy here. Yes I'd like to see this place grow some more. But 1/10th the size of reddit would be plenty. Most reddit users don't contribute anything useful anyways so no loss there.

[–] DrPop@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago

The culture is so different. I'm glad Reddit made space for so many different people. But the changes to make it more ad friendly sucks. Also seeing pop culture stuff reach the top regularly is annoying I don't care about celebrities.

[–] 3melvi@feddit.it 1 points 2 years ago

No, they showed their hand and they will not change their attitude. They got caught in their lies and their malicious intentions. I do not mind them behaving like a business, I mind that they are becoming unethical in the way they are pursuing their goals, because they think we are passive enough that will accept such type of conduct without batting an eyelash.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

maybe if spez is also removed, and the board reselected

[–] Grant@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fuck spez. Even if they reversed their decision, they have made it very clear how much they will take control if they don't get their way. They have repeatedly mistreated the mods, devs, and community. They slandered a man with lies that could end his career because of why? To gain social points?

Spez has shown what reddit really is and I am done

[–] 640kb@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

My sentiments exactly. I wonder what it's like for the reddit staff to work with such a gaslighting, condescending and deceitful boss.

We owe the Apollo dev a lot for shining a bright light at the leadership of reddit and specifically /u/spez.

[–] Tilted@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Not planning to return. Lemmy feels good to me. Happy to be here.

[–] pumpkin@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Short: No

Long: Theoretically yes, but they'd need to completely change leadership and also give up any notion of going public and instead transition to a non-profit. I dont think they can be advertising and working for the community while chasing profits. They have been trying to exploit users for profit rather than work with them.

That reddit could see me return, but at that point it'd be a very different situation and a very different reddit. I don't think we'll ever see it happen.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

I will never willingly provide free labour in the form of commenting, interacting, and posting on a site that not only exploits my work for profit, but insults me and is run by a pathological liar and malignant narcissist. So no.

[–] laird_dave@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

Nah, fuck reddit. "If people tell you who they are you better believe them."

That bridge has been burned to the ground.

[–] xargs@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This is the most degen reason to give, but the likelihood is I would go back. Lemmy is solid though there's a couple of things that make me wonder if it's worth fully commiting.

a) Userbase. If reddit went back, subreddits would likely reopen, change their rules back to how they were before, and therefore the numbers would follow.

b) Centralised. I know this one will piss people off, but the fragmentation of lemmy is a bit too much. I have the option to put all my trust into a single account on one instance and subscribe fedarated if instances support it, or I can create 20 different accounts across different instances.

c) Retention of userstats. While I've not got rediculous amounts of karma like some people do, I have a a little bit, and rebuilding that is a bit ass.

[–] damniel@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I agree with most of what you're saying, except for karma. Who gives a fuck

[–] TechnoBabble@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn't karma just like an anti-spam mechanism that barely works?

And you get karma just by posting whatever the community wants to hear. So it's not like it shows how enlightened you are or anything.

Anyway, one thing that bothered me about Reddit's karma system, is that people would delete their comments if they got a few downvotes, even if they had something important to say.

Here on Lemmy, you can quickly see both upvotes and downvotes. So if someone says something controversial due to politics or whatever, they're less likely to delete their comment because they can see "ahh, I'm not just being mercilessly attacked, 50 people upvoted me."

That can be abused I guess, but I like that it promotes discussion that isn't just echo-chamber nonsense. We'll just have to see how it works in practice.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

How do you even dowvnote on Lemmy? I don't see an option for it, only on kbin.

[–] happyhippo@feddit.it 1 points 2 years ago

Nope, my account is gone and so are my comments.

I'm done with reddit.

Either Lemmy takes off, or I may start reading more in my free time...

[–] rollingFlint@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

No, I won't return.

This whole episode taught me the importance of diversifying the online communities/platforms that I use, and how NOT to rely on a single platform controlled by a for-profit entity.

From now on, it's communities based on open platforms first for me, and proprietary ones the distance second and only if I really can't avoid it.

[–] nectroxt@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

I think reddit model should be as a non profit org., something like wikipedia. No ads, no selling or trying to monetize user data, or being hostage to its investors whims. That would require a complete change of management. Only then I would think about going back.

[–] FreddyNO@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

No. Reddit has shown it's not what I signed up for. I learn my lession, goodbye reddit

Nope, being an open source and privacy zealot I wanted to switch to Lemmy well before anyone cared about it. But I deleted my account because it had like twenty active people on it at most. Now that it's gaining users I'm definitely staying. I wasn't very active on Reddit for quite a while anyway, discussion grew repetitive.

[–] lauha@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

I don't use Reddit on my computer, only browse it using RIF and my reddit usage will stop when the RIF stops working.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Definitely not. Even if I get luke-warm on lemmy, Huffman has shown a complete disregard to the community and has completely pivoted to building the business. As soon as they introduced New reddit and bought AlienBlue, the writing was already on the wall.

I'm not sure if lemmy/the fediverse has the legs to keep the community going indefinitely (i was around when Voat was absorbing the last reddit exodus, i'm hoping lemmy has more legs than that), but I think i'm done with these for-profit social media sites. Youtube is the last one (for me) that hasn't burned that bridge, but I'm not a contributor there anyway. For being a link-aggregation website though, I feel like federations are a perfect fit.

I'm old enough now that I can see myself not using social media at all.... Jesus how did I get so old. Time to go buy a Miata and some aviators.

[–] t_378@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm not sure if lemmy/the fediverse has the legs to keep the community going indefinitely (i was around when Voat was absorbing the last reddit exodus, i'm hoping lemmy has more legs than that), but I think i'm done with these for-profit social media sites.

What I'm hoping for, is that a portion of people that care and come to Lemmy stick with it, and those people that aren't at all concerned with Reddits's business dealings stick with Reddit. It gives each community a chance to develop it's own voice, which is how it was before the major centralization of the web.

I guess what I'm saying is, even if Lemmy doesn't beat Reddit into the ground, Lemmy can still win in it's own way.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I remember the Voat semi-exodus, but as I recall that was all the communities that got banned. Voat turned into a cesspool real quick

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

No. I'll use RSS to lurk on subs that don't move, but this more and fragmentation has pushed me to finally try and curb my endless scrolling habits (by utilising IRC, I now only go through small bytes of content, and if I don't feel like it is important, I don't waste any more time).

[–] lunarshot@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

do you have any more info on how to get started with this? I have no desire to go back but would love to know how to loosely lurk like that

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Download any FOSS RSS client for your OS. I'm looking at:

  1. https://github.com/yang991178/fluent-reader
  2. https://github.com/hello-efficiency-inc/raven-reader
  3. https://github.com/nkanaev/yarr

I'll be switching from QuiteRSS which is not maintained anymore.

Then, find how to get rss feeds for whatever you want (Reddit, Lemmy and Youtube are fairly easy). That's all

[–] SustainedChaos@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reddit is no longer showing on my computer. Something about /etc/hosts. Can’t imagine how that happened.

[–] beto@lemmy.studio 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I installed a Firefox extension that redirects any reddit.com link to my Lemmy instance.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago

I installed a Firefox extension that redirects any reddit.com link to my Lemmy instance.

...Do you have a link to that extension?

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