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[–] tyler@programming.dev 134 points 9 months ago (49 children)

Man people really set up the strawmen here. Congress has literally said it’s about foreign influence, not about protecting children. It has absolutely nothing to do with kids. It has to do with China influencing the citizens of the United States to do things that are beneficial to China, against the interests of the US government.

It’s not a ban, if China gives up control of the app to a United States entity then there’s no problem. It has absolutely nothing to do with protecting children.

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[–] Obonga@feddit.de 52 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"What about the people on epsteins list" is gotta be the most generic strawman.

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Cna you believe that they haven't arrested every single person who ever made social contact with epstein and arrested them for rape, despite a lack of any supporting evidence that they committed a crime?

[–] Obonga@feddit.de 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I mean i am sure that rich people get away with lots of stuff that normal people wont. But this whole "pedophile elite" thing smells very similar to the "elite jews control everything" and is simplistic bs at best. I am not even sure what people are on about. I would be happy if we finally fought for more equality and better distrubution of wealth but that seems "too simple" to most or something.

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[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 40 points 9 months ago (13 children)

The way .ml cries everyday about TikTok being banned you'd think it was an actual real life crises for all of you.

Multiple counties have already banned the app (as well as other ccp government apps) years before the US started trying to. Where was all the out cry then?

[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 22 points 9 months ago (11 children)

can't find any western countries that have it banned for the general public

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[–] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Let's ban TikTok while our kids are dying because of guns. It's like they're doing everything they can to lose an election.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

[–] eatham@aussie.zone 45 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Holy shit America is crazy. How do you get to the point where more kids are dying of guns than cars in a country with too many cars. And why has poisoning gone up so much?

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's poisoning and drug overdose. I can only assume fentanyl is the reason for a huge spike in that area.

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[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

When you actually do the calculations... Even just taking a rough "6 kids per 100,000" killed with firearms, doesn't sound too bad no?

That's about 20,000 KIDS killed per year

TWENTY FUCKIN THOUSAND

Christ on a bike

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

And giant cats it seems.

Also wtf is going on with drugs since 2019. Is this all fentanyl?

[–] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 9 months ago
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[–] Spike@feddit.de 29 points 9 months ago (3 children)

What in the tankie fuck am i reading

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

They aren't wrong though. Every time they want to screw with us they trot out the children. From gun control to banning transgender care.

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[–] antidote101@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Because it's not a list of rapists, just a list of people Epstein was interested in having influential control over.

...and even going to the Island just meant he was trying to influence you. He was looking for whatever leverage he could find over people.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

The list of rapists certainly exists

Court papers said that alongside photos were compact discs with handwritten labels including: “‘Young [Name] + [Name],’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/12/07/evidence-jeffrey-epsteins-safe-went-missing-fbi-raid-court-hears/

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[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fuck TikTok, but I’m sick of hearing “BUT THE KIDS!!!” As an excuse for constantly trampling everyone’s freedoms

[–] ziixe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 9 months ago

The fact that we have to baby proof the internet because someone is too lazy to do basic parenting is crazy

If the "protect children" politician does nothing about school shootings, you know they're a PoS.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But Black Dynamite, we're on Epstein's list.

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[–] solarvector@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago (4 children)

How is this itself not a fake argument?

The arguments in support of tick-tock are a bizarre amalgamation of just about every category of bad faith argument. I haven't seen one that suggests tick-tock it's actually a net benefit.

[–] redempt@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

it's not that tiktok is good, it's that banning it sets a bad precedent and will be used to justify further control and censorship of the internet

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[–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Whataboutism is a form of informal fallacy.

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[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The net benefit is that people enjoy it.

If there was some negative that outweighed that you'd think the bill would be banning that practice but the thing they don't like is its partially owned by Chinese companies so they're just trying to force it to be sold so it can cobtinye to operate in the exact same way but just for the benefit of an American billionaire instead.

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[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago

Net benefit to whom? And by what metric? And who gets to apply said metric?

[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

This is fucking retarded

[–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (12 children)

I may have missed something in civics class, but since when is access to a crappy social media site a right?

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago

The "for the children" arguments are almost always misleading.

Don't get me wrong, there's stuff that's genuinely "for the children", but the vast majority of the time they're doing something for the children it's not.

Bluntly, the core of the argument for a lot of the online stuff for the children is reported as protecting them against would be child molestation or dangers of some similar variety. In tiktok's case, here's a platform that has huge potential for revenue due to its popularity, and has an established user base. I'm certain that many of the so-called upper class/elites/capitalist pigs/owners of the country, are salivating at the prospect of getting a piece of that. It was said, in the open discussion for the bill to ban tiktok, that they want to "make" tiktok "better". Not better for the people using it, better for the people who could profit from it. Several of these shit heads have already, formally and publicly stated that they have an interest in acquiring the platform, because the bill says: tiktok will be banned unless it sells to an American owner. So the only way for tiktok to operate in America after the bill is passed, is for them to buy it.

The legislation isn't for the children. The legislation is the people who actually hold power, making the government do a thing so they can reap the rewards.

They want to profit off of the children. Because mind raping them at a young age into a life of consumerism and spending, while earning money for that privilege, is a capitalists wet dream.

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