Flatpak be like... : linuxmemes

[+] kadu@lemmy.world 75 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 47 points 3 months ago

Dependency hell every day

Damn near 25 year Linux user here, servers, desktops, everything. I haven't seen a single dependency issue in over 5 years.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 59 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Quick question can you suggest some lotto numbers thx

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[-] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 35 points 3 months ago

I get what you mean, but the way you worded it makes it seem like you experienced dependency hell for 20 out of 25 years...

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago

Dependency hell happens when you try to go against your distro and install something. Someone who used Linux for 20 years probably found a distro that works well for them, hence the no dependency hell.

Or they just stopped tinkering. Either case is solvable by Nix/Flatpak/Bedrock/20+ other solutions

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[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 months ago

ffmpeg was like three weeks ago

[-] topinambour_rex@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

What happened with ffmpeg ?

[-] Cort@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I'm genuinely curious too. Was there a big update? Bad interaction with the new plasma? I know they added av1 last year but I looked like a week ago and atsc 3.0 and ac4 audio still didn't work.

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[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

ಠ_ಠ

[-] shotgun_crab@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

So lucky ones do exist after all

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[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

I mean luckily distro maintainers usually deal with it (quite a lot of work) but have any additional repos and it gets wonky if those are not in total lockstep.

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[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

In over 5 years? Like when containers and flatpaks became popular and include all their dependencies? Or when RHEL8 introduced app streams to help combat dependency issues?

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[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

But Flatpak packages don't contain the Runtime dependencies. Those are shared among all Flatpak packages. AppImage bundles everything.

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[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 62 points 3 months ago

4GB of dependencies shared across loads of apps

The horror... That's almost 0,4% of my drive!

[-] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 months ago

Its good if all many apps use them. But the problem is when you have to install one 10mb app and it pulls 4gb deps.

Also i don't know what is flapak runtimes which are big and different versions of them are required for different apps

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

Indeed, for a single app it might be a lot, considering it's a single app. But even then it's not a lot of disk space out of what people have. But with every additional app, that additional space use lessens thanks to shared runtimes and dedupping.

Also i don't know what is flapak runtimes which are big and different versions of them are required for different apps

I think a few of the most used one cover most apps, but even with different runtime versions and I think even different runtimes, thanks to dedupping it should only use extra space for stuff that's actually different between the two. Two instances of the same library in different runtimes would only use the space of one, afaik.

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[-] sirico@feddit.uk 39 points 3 months ago

4Gb of dependencies so far

[-] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

I use Flatpaks mostly because I like having my base os and gui minimal as possible. Every thinking that is not core os I install as a flatpak. This is great because I didn't have to install dependencies like lib32 and other libraries on my root partition. Lean and mean.

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[-] swearengen@sopuli.xyz 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah storage is cheap but I last reformated my boot drive in 2017 so my root partition is 20GB and now I have no room for Flatpak. Now I could just resize it but wheres the fun in that.

TL:DR "A 20GB root partition ought to be enough for anybody."

[-] Takios@feddit.de 16 points 3 months ago

You can have flatpak install it's stuff into your home with the --user flag.

[-] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 8 points 3 months ago

I feel your pain. Flatpack can really ruin partitioning strategies.

[-] AProfessional@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

It has an installations feature to use any location, as well as users home by default.

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[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

I seriously want to switch some of the small distros like tinycore as a daily driver.

1GB of RAM and 4GB disk space is more than enough for all but the most bloated apps.

[-] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I've put steam on a librebooted chromebook with similar stats, it has to install games on a usb drive/sd card but it works quite well even for casual linux gamers

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[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

i just gave up on that and have everything i can on one partition

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[-] CassiniWarden@infosec.pub 21 points 3 months ago

I use flatpaks on my desktop all the time, no issue with storage space. But my laptop with only 128gb SSD starts sweating.

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[-] suodrazah@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Flatpak don't be like this at all.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 27 points 3 months ago

I suppose it might seem like that if you install it just for a singular app. Then the runtime + possible drivers are a hefty load. But everything after that, the weight of the deps proportional to the apps gets lighter through shared runtimes, drivers, dedupping and so on.

Some go to install a singular flatpak and are horrified by the amount it tries to install and never look back. Which I sorta get, though if that their level of familiarity with flatpak they might not be the best people to partake in the dep/flatpak/snap/appimage fights. But they still do.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 5 points 3 months ago

Yes, the same can be said if you run GNOME and install a single KDE app or vice-versa. And here’s my petition to convert DigiKam to FLTK so everyone can enjoy it.

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[-] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 16 points 3 months ago

I used it after getting frustrated with the AUR. Never looked back unless the package wasn't on Flatpak or had an AppImage.

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[-] turkishdelight@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago

Flatpak is crazy inefficient, but at least I can get software that is not yet on distro repos. It will get better.

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[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I found a QT app today. Uncompiled file size: 1 MB. Compiled size: 100 MB

[-] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago

Yeah, completely normal for Qt... well, if you bundle everything that is. If it depends on shared libraries, should't be larger than 10MB or so.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago

those are shared tho, no biggie

[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I haven't had any real issues with Flatpaks outside of them not following my GTK theme which I fixed with Flatseal.

[-] Samueru@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I just use appimages, they are even smaller than native packages many times due to their compression, for example libreoffice being 300 vs 600 MiB, librewolf 110 vs 330 MiB, etc.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

When you've got decent Internet and storage is cheap....