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I see a lot of people claim they tune/calibrate their printer any time they use a new spool of filament. But does anyone actually do this? It feels like a waste of time when filament is so consistent, even between brands. I can understand doing it for specialty rolls, but for basic pla? Seems unnecessary

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[–] Garzak@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Reading the answers make me feel bad about myself.

I never really calibrated my printer. I have a BLTouch so I rarely have to level the bed, I correct the Z offset when my prints start failing, and that’s pretty much it.

I should probably start taking printing more seriously.

[–] Duallight@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

If you're happy with your prints, then no need to calibrate IMO. I think calibration is only necessary when you see a problem or want the best possible prints you can get. But personally, I don't care too much if a print isn't perfect, as long as it works

[–] suth@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Nah, there’s nothing wrong with that. I’m the same type as you and just print until something goes wrong. While I enjoy the journey of 3D printing, what I really love is the results. As long as you get the result there’s no need to tinker unless you just really love that aspect.

[–] MxRemy@lemmy.one 10 points 2 years ago

God no, way too lazy for that lol. It probably does help though.

[–] SlovenianSocket@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I print a temp tower for every new brand I get and save that as a profile. Has worked fine for me for years

[–] ZagamTheVile@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Same here. New brand, new temp tower. Maybe a new color if on the spool it looks different.

[–] Duallight@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

New brand seems reasonable. I still don't even do that, but I also don't care too much if it's not a perfect print haha

[–] MrQuallzin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I don't do it for every spool, but I'll generally tune for each brand I have. Elegoo's PLA prints different than IIID Max PLA+, so I have profiles for both. I'll only tune a new spool if it's not printing well with the brand's profile

[–] JLN@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

I rarely ever do, honestly I use the "Prusament" defaults in prusaslicer for all of my rolls of various types, and never really have any issues. Unless it's something like a silk or specialty type of filament.

[–] Jurbl@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago

Could be semantics but I configure (tune?) my profile to brand and color and leave it unless a roll is printing oddly. Basically, I’m looking for adjustments to flow, retraction speed and distance. Overture black and white are the same but recently used a hot pink and bright green from two different manufacturers where my Cura Overture Black/white profile sucked.

[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Ain’t nobody got time for that.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 5 points 2 years ago

Being a lazy type, I only do it per-material, and then only crudely. Which is part of the reason my PETG prints tend to be a bit on the stringy side, I'm sure—I've just never bothered to tune the retraction properly.

[–] -spam-@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Heck no. I've got a baseline profile that's good enough and tweak if something is obviously wrong.

These days I just want to print with as little fuss as possible. Think a BambuLab printer is in my future.

[–] u000@lemmywinks.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

Not unless I notice it printing poorly

[–] CobraA1@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Not really, I usually run a test print. But I have noticed that sometimes a different color will need different settings, even if it's the same material and brand.

One thing that I do for every roll is to put an ID number on it and weigh it, and put that into a database. That way I have a good estimate of whether or not I have enough filament for a project.

[–] bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tune whenever I start getting failures, or if I completely switch materials. For example, with petg, it works better to have a thicker initial layer so I'll raise the z offset a bit going from pla to petg, and the opposite going back.

But I've gone through multiple rolls without needing to tune.

[–] jamiehs@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

This sums it up perfectly for me too.

I tune whenever I start getting failures

[–] aard@kyu.de 3 points 2 years ago

I just start printing with a profile that looks close enough - I'll see soon enough if I need to change something, and more often than not it comes out good enough. (Not just for PLA - I pretty much don't print that anymore - but any material)

[–] bemenaker@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Mostly I tune each type of filament. If using something new or haven't used in a while I'll do a calibration cube. After that I know to adjust or send it

[–] dawnerd@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Just each brand and type unless a particular color or roll is printing weird. Some color formulations can we weird from some brands.

[–] Nanomerce@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I just do it for new brands or colors. Though if a roll is giving me a hard time I'll do some checks.

[–] ScottE@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't on my FlashForge CreatorPro unless I had an issue, but I do on my BambuLab X1C - but that's because it's a fully automated process using the built in lidar.

[–] DrNeurohax@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Automatic flow calibration is so nice. I don't use any of the other "smart" features, but it's worth the extra cost just for that.

[–] Sumeron@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not for each new roll of filament, but I am relatively new (less than 1 month) and with the same roll I have some prints failing. Mostly because they detatch from the bed (Material is PETG, on an Ender 3 Max Neo). I've tried a lot of things already:

  • Different nozzle temps
  • Z axis offset calibration
  • Cleaning the print-bed
  • Leveling the print-bed (including the screws and the A4 paper trick)
  • Heated bed vs. non-heated
  • Printer placed in an enclosure to prevent drafts

So far it seems to go alright, but I still get detatching prints occasionally, or deforming mid-print. It's kind of frustrating :(

[–] DrNeurohax@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh, you poor thing. I made the same mistake. I know, I know, PETG logically makes the most sense - no fumes, higher temp tolerance, cheap - but save yourself weeks of misery and stick with PLA or PLA Plus/Pro/+ for a few months. PETG is a special beast. For all the shit PLA gets, it's not that bad and MUCH easier to learn printing with.

PETG is more viscous and sticky, and generally requires its own z-offset tuning and retraction tweaks. On top of that, it needs juuuuust enough heat to melt the Bowden tube, which happens to make it really tempting to pop a few prints. I'm pretty sure I invented new curse words while trying to clean out that mess.

PETG was the second filament I tried. The first was Silk PLA. It's PLA, but shiny, no biggie, right? Don't learn on Silk PLA either. Completely different set of problems. Silk PLA to PLA is like Frosted Fakes to cake frosting.

Just my $0.02. I know I was all excited to print mods for the printer right away, but I've ended up replacing all those mods with MUCH better ones 6 months later. Good luck!

Edit: Forgot to mention, make sure you use glue stick or hairspray on the bed. PETG will bond strong enough to take some of the bed surface with it!

[–] Sumeron@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I've essentially started printing on a higher difficulty? Guess I'll switch to PLA when the PETG runs out and change profiles in the slicer to PLA

[–] DrNeurohax@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, you're printing on Hard Mode. PETG is weird at first, but easy-ish later on. Some veterans tend to treat it like no big deal, but it can be a real stumbling block for some. I know it took me a while.

[–] jamiehs@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Only if it’s a specialty filament or something tricky; like Proto-Pasta can be. If I’m just running another spool of Hatchbox or Overture I just use my generic PLA profile and send it.

[–] fhein@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I calibrate flow rate for each filament, and looking at my SuperSlicer profiles I have values between 0.95 and 0.99 for PLA from different brands/product lines. I also have different temp settings for some, but that's more a result of adjusting after prints than having actually calibrated it. I've been experimenting a lot though and have never bought the same filament twice but I would probably not recalibrate for a new spool of something I already have.

But if not calibrating works for you then there's ofc. no point in doing it.

[–] DrNeurohax@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Yes and no.

I use a ton of different brands, so I always print a temp tower and a swatch card. I can't keep track of which word salad brand on Amazon is rebadged SunLu or eSun. I could totally see people that stick to only a couple brands doing a full calibration for each type and brand (maybe not color always, but I would do a quick comparison white-gray-black and anything exotic).

[–] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I usually print a calibration square at whatever the filament's recommended nozzle/bed temperatures are. From that I will fine tune the extrusion multiplier until it's a perfect first layer. I prefer to do this instead of adjusting the Z offset for each filament.

This seems to keep my nozzle cleaner and my prints looking better because the nozzle doesn't drag through printed lines or drop buildup in a random place. Printing the square only takes 11 minutes, so it's worth the time.

Here's a helpful article about this: https://help.prusa3d.com/article/extrusion-multiplier-calibration_2257

[–] MacaroniLove@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I use multiple materials from multiple brands, so yes, I do some calibration for each filaments.

I usually limit myself to the flow factor by printing a cube in vase mode and then adjust by ±2% after a print if I feel like it is needed.

For the temperatures, I go for the normal recommended values (200°C hot end and 60°C bed for PLA) without any calibration, unless there is a problem. (I think last time I printed one was for ABS because it kept curling up..)

Retraction and Linear advance seems to always give roughly the same value for each type of materials, so I ended up using an average which work well enough.

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I now feel like an idiot that I’ve never thought of turning on vase mode for a calibration cube

[–] MrIamsosmrt@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

I usually print a temp tower when I get new filament that I haven't used before. It doesn't take that long and if it prevents a failed print it's totally worth it.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I used to. Now I just put settings I think will be close, print a calibration cube, make some adjustments based on what I see, and go to town. I spent 2 entire weeks figuring out all of the optimal settings for my printer for PLA+. Most of those settings work well for everything and because I spent so much time learning about printer calibration, I have a pretty solid idea of what I need to change from looking at the cube.

[–] Flaky_Fish69@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Define “tune” and “calibrate”

I do somethings, yes. Specifically I print off a temperature test- either the full tower (new color/brand,) or a cut down version that’s one tier high (for something I’ve printed with before)

It’s possible that the brand changed formulations or whatever. I’ll also run a micrometer over some of the filament to check it’s thickness.

Finally, I it’s a good time to take the opportunity to give the printer a once-over looking for wear and tear, and it’s a reasonable time to refresh the lube on the z screws, etc.

But no, I certainly don’t do a full recalibration every roll. there's some things I do most every print (checking my first layer, wiping down the bed with IPA or ethanol, for example,) but then there's some things I do occasionally (re-leveling the bed, probing a fresh mesh, , and then there's only things I do when I change something (esteps, checking the belt tension.)

[–] Cyv_@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I've only really printed different PLA flavors but I really only change print settings if I have an issue on the first print. I just shoot for the smallest thing I need printed first just in case.

As for stuff like leveling and offset I only mess with those every 3 or 4 prints, or before a really big print I really need to not fuck up.

[–] NickKnight@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I will gladly open a new roll mid print and continue a print with an untested roll. I simply don't print things that need that level of fiddling.

[–] SocialDoki@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

Nah. Every time I buy a new roll I print a calicat with it to make sure my current settings are good, but that's about it.

[–] account_93@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I adjust flowrate(by printing a square in each corner & center) but that's about it unless I get issues which is practically non existent.

[–] Posthumos1@lemmy.film 1 points 1 year ago

I mostly print in pla+, but when I change I'll print a quick sacrificial print, like a baby grogu, or the like. Just to see how it runs. Sometimes I'll print off a quick pegboard accessory. This is really just to check the temps and see if the normal 207/60 will work out. I change on the fly.

I'm only like 3 months in but have about 150 prints behind me, so don't take anything I say as gospel.

I will say that I do maintain my printer after every session. At least purge the hotend, wipe down the bed with IPA 99.9%, and blow out the dust, etc. I also prime every print by heating the hotend and extruding 50mm of filament than wiping off the tip of the hotend.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

I don't. But I do try and make sure my filaments are kind of similar.

[–] PatFussy@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Yes and no. I run a few different tests for different filaments but i save the filament reqs by manufacture and color. If i buy the same filament later on then I use the preset I made for that color. Its tedious but I think its the right way to do it

[–] solarbird@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Nah, but I will print a temperature tower if it's a new filament - even if it's very similar to a filament I've had before. (As long as it's not an identical replacement. If it's an identical replacement and the previous isn't ancient, I won't even do that.)

[–] Toribor@corndog.uk 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm a little more careful when I switch between PLA and PETG, mostly to prevent clogs, but I definitely don't recalibrate anything when switching spools unless I start having problems.

[–] KaJashey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For PLA I set set it as prusiment in my slicer and forget it. That's hot enough to do silks and fancy filaments. It's hot enough to have good layer adhesion.

For octoprints I print the first layer at 215°C to help with adhesion then turn it down to 205°C to avoid stringing.

Special non-pla filaments I do what's suggested.

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