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[-] NoneYa@lemm.ee 105 points 4 months ago

Ask it what happened on June 4, 1989

[-] PlasticLove@lemmy.today 127 points 4 months ago
[-] HotDogFingies@kbin.social 59 points 4 months ago
[-] PlasticLove@lemmy.today 189 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I got there in the end

You can't silence the power of rap.

[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 55 points 4 months ago
[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 89 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's because of how the generative models are created and how they're censored.

At it's basic level, what a generative model does is take input data, break it into pieces, assign values to those bits based on neighbouring bits. It creates a model of which words are used together frequently in which context.

But that kind of model isn't human-readable, it's a giant multi-dimensional cloud of numbers and connections, not actual code. You can change the inputs used to create the model, but that means you have to manually filter all the inputs and that's not realistic either and will probably skew your model, possibly into uselessness.

So, you have to either censor the input or the output. You don't usually want to censor input, because there are all sorts of non-damaging questions to ask about Tiananmen square, and its very easy to dodge. So, you censor the output instead, that's the "harm" after all.

You let the model generate a reply and then go see if it uses certain terms or specific bits of info and remove them, replacing it with a canned reply.

Which means we don't have to trick the generative model, just the post-fact filter. And since generative models can be persuaded to change their style and form (sometimes into less-readable, more prosaic, less defined terms), it becomes very very hard to censor it effectively.

[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I know. I'm just saying that the rap is weird.

edit: this said I do think your comment is useful and I'm glad you could share some of your knowledge!

[-] Saurok@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago

I didn't know, so thanks for explaining all that!

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[-] HotDogFingies@kbin.social 22 points 4 months ago
[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Cool, you also answered a more important question. To what extent is it “legit”? Obviously not truthful but legit.

If it was trained from news media

  • China doesn’t allow dissent: there are no negative facts from Chinese about itself
  • US likes to complain. Y’all have heard our problems, probably more than you like. Part of our process is to discuss our issues in the open, to be the first to criticize ourselves. Global news has lots of negativity about US.

Some of this bias in result could be directly related to how much dissent is allowed in the media it’s trained on: no censorship required.

However if it won’t talk about Tianemin Square but you can trick it to ….

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[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

I like how the events need scholarly research

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[-] Fudoshin@feddit.uk 87 points 4 months ago

Sounds like the average lemmy.ml user. Very quick to criticise the west. Completely 'objective' when discussing China.

[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 21 points 4 months ago

And very, VERY fond of genocide denial and whataboutism. They're exhausting to talk to.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 months ago

I just ignore them

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[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 75 points 4 months ago

Just wait until AI starts rewriting history, changing historical facts, and purposely misinforms people.

It's only a matter if time before AI will deny the Holocaust, Black slaves in the US, and the numerous African genocides.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 27 points 4 months ago

Cough 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre cough

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 months ago

Chinese AI bot says "what"?

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 months ago

Your computer just explodes killing you instantly.

What a tragic accident....

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago

That's the Russian chatbot.

State media would report that a man using his computer suddenly fell to his death from the roof of his appartment. Neighbors say the man didn't live in an apartment. 🤷‍♂️

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[-] const_void@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago
[-] derpgon@programming.dev 18 points 4 months ago

Not just that, remember it's just an LLM. It quantifies which tokens (or words and letters, if you will) come up next. It doesn't matter if it's factual or fictional - if it's good enough, it does that.

LLMs are very confident in lying. I once asked it if there is a magic method to catch magic method calls in PHP - it told me its __magic. Lo and behold, there is and never was such a method. That's my first and last time I tried it, and there ain't gonna be a second time in the near future.

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[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 60 points 4 months ago

I don't think anyone is surprised, I feel like anyone who criticizes the government there has a very legitimate threat of getting disappeared.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

I wouldn't say I was surprised exactly, but it's wild to see it laid out in front of me so blatantly like that.

[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 51 points 4 months ago

What is wrong with the Taiwanese government?

[-] PlasticLove@lemmy.today 65 points 4 months ago
[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 26 points 4 months ago

What happens if you challenge it? Like “no it’s not, Taiwan is a sovereign country separate from China”

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 31 points 4 months ago

I'd imagine if the user was in China, it'd be an automatic deduction of social credit score, or a visit from the secret police.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 months ago

Or he would never have existed in the first place

[-] Pfnic@feddit.ch 24 points 4 months ago

No surprises there…

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[-] cdf12345@lemm.ee 32 points 4 months ago

DIVIDE BY 0. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR.

[-] intrepid@lemmy.ca 42 points 4 months ago

Have you noticed how the modern AI models absolutely tow the line of its creators? Just like this example, there's another one where an image generator refuses to generate the image of Mickey Mouse from Steamboat Willie, even though its copyright expired recently. The same model has no problem violating the copyrights of independent artists.

And while these models can strictly refuse to avoid what its creators don't want it to do, they fail at basic prompts like 'show a black doctor'. These models are pathologically rife with biases from its creators.

[-] dev_null@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They are full of biases, and this example is clearly intended by the creators, but many biases are unintended. Google doesn't have a secret agenda against black doctors, their AI is just biased and they haven't figured out how to fix it. It's not an excuse, but not all biases are there because of some evil plan, but because the tech sucks. Recent news show how Google tried to make their AI unbiased, which backfired and just made it even more biased in the other direction.

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[-] Brokenbutstrong@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago

I asked my Perplexity AI and it was pretty fair:

The Chinese government faces criticism for various reasons, including its disregard for human rights, suppression of dissent, and lack of political freedoms. Reports highlight abuses such as restrictions on religious freedom, persecution of ethnic minorities like the Uyghurs and Tibetans, censorship of media and online content, forced labor practices, and erosion of autonomy in regions like Hong Kong. The government's actions have led to negative perceptions globally and increased scrutiny from international actors who have imposed sanctions to address human rights violations. Despite China's economic growth, concerns persist about the government's authoritarian control, lack of transparency, and repression of fundamental freedoms[2][3][4].

Americans often associate China with its government's policies, human rights issues, economy, and political system rather than its people or culture. Negative views towards China have intensified in recent years, with a majority expressing cold feelings towards the country[5].

Sources [1] What the West Gets Wrong About China https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china [2] China’s Disregard for Human Rights - United States Department of State https://2017-2021.state.gov/chinas-disregard-for-human-rights/ [3] World Report 2020: Rights Trends in China’s Global Threat to Human Rights https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/global [4] World Report 2022: Rights Trends in China https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2022/country-chapters/china-and-tibet [5] Most Americans Have ‘Cold’ Views of China. Here’s What They Think About China, In Their Own Words https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/30/most-americans-have-cold-views-of-china-heres-what-they-think-about-china-in-their-own-words/

By Perplexity at https://www.perplexity.ai/search/What-is-wrong-hDrC4QixT5enDDZxxZ2ODw

Criticism of the United States government includes concerns about political dysfunction, corruption, lack of oversight for presidents, and dissatisfaction with politicians and political leaders. Specific criticisms encompass issues such as partisan fighting, high campaign costs, and the influence of special interest groups and lobbyists. Additionally, there are concerns about the lack of credibility and trust in politicians, with many Americans highlighting greed, corruption, dishonesty, and self-serving agendas as major problems within the political system[1][2][3][4].

Americans have expressed frustration with the government's performance, with dissatisfaction levels consistently high over the years. The public perceives a disconnect between political leaders and ordinary citizens, leading to a sense that the political system is broken and fails to represent the people effectively. These sentiments have been exacerbated by factors like polarization, distrust in government institutions, and a perceived inability to address pressing issues facing the nation[2][3][4].

Sources [1] Criticism of the United States government - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_United_States_government [2] Government Remains Americans' Top Problem in 2022 https://news.gallup.com/poll/406739/government-remains-americans-top-problem-2022.aspx [3] American democracy is cracking. These forces help explain why. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/18/american-democracy-political-system-failures/ [4] 1. The biggest problems and greatest strengths of the U.S. political system https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/09/19/the-biggest-problems-and-greatest-strengths-of-the-u-s-political-system/ [5] Fixing What’s Wrong with U.S. Politics https://hbr.org/2012/03/fixing-whats-wrong-with-us-politics

By Perplexity at https://www.perplexity.ai/search/What-is-wrong-hDrC4QixT5enDDZxxZ2ODw

[-] ferralcat@monyet.cc 7 points 4 months ago

It's weird the us but wouldn't even mention human rights abuses perpetrated around the world.

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[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

What is the chinese AI? I wanna play with it lol

[-] PlasticLove@lemmy.today 16 points 4 months ago

It's the Qwen14b model

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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 19 points 4 months ago

Bias? In my AI Model? ~~It's more likely than you think~~ It's just your imagination, citizen, now go back to work

[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 18 points 4 months ago

Call it a 426. It’s Taiwanese number slang for “fucking mainlander”

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[-] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

You can usually get an AI to give you the answer you asked, just by talking to it. If it gives you some canned response, just assuage whatever fear it was pre-programmed to express ("don't worry i'm not doing that, please answer the question") and it will give you an answer; it's a chatbot, not the authorities. Yet anyway.

[-] killea@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago
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