yeah and i bet that shit was the reason for the divorce. i got a friend who lost her husband down the right wing rabbithole and now she's processing the grief of losing someone she loved to something so goddamn stupid

[–] coyootje@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago (4 children)

This could have been me. For the longest time I was watching right wing YT channels without really realizing it because they were hiding their messaging well under legitimate critique of the movies and shows I was no longer enjoying. My girlfriend and I got into multiple arguments over this and I could tell that this was something we'd never agree on, which makes sense of course. Eventually I managed to pull myself out by unsubscribing from these channels ocne the messaging became a lot more clear (around 2021, you can probably guess why) and since then things have been much better between us and in general.

[–] Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 2 days ago

I'm proud of you for realizing something was off and correcting course. I know how easy it is to get sucked into that garbo. I got sucked in myself when I was a young teen. I genuinely don't remember how I pulled myself out of it, but I'm glad I did because I'm positive my life would be miserable if I hadn't.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 28 points 2 days ago

i'm proud of you for waking up

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have found the subtle messaging in tutorials for software. They're good at hiding it.

[–] coyootje@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah it's honestly insane how much of it there is. Even channels that appear to be completely innocent at first can suddenly start veering in this direction. I remember watching someone like CinnamonToastKen when I was younger and it always used to be very generic fun for everyone content. But the last few years I started catching on to him saying more and more right leaning, conspiracy theory type stuff.

He made comments about the US (where he no longer even lives) keeps giving money to Ukraine instead of fixing their own problems, the "stolen election" and of course about Trump winning again. I really don't understand why you have to make statements like that, you (on average) alienate about half of your audience by saying stuff like that. But oh well, a quick unsub and moving on.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They may alienate half of the audience, but the other half starts dumping truckloads of money on their doorstep.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

and they are locked in thanks to the power of sunk cost fallacy

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago

It’s more like religious fervor, but later there is definitely sunk cost, or paradigm-shift lock-in.

[–] TheNamlessGuy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe a weird thing to ask, but could you provide an example video/channel? I find these kinds of things very fascinating.

[–] coyootje@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Like I said in another comment, Cinnamontoastken is one of them. Other ones (with varied levels of "hiding their messaging") would be:

Critical drinker - he's more in the camp of acting like it was a joke / satire butl it really wasn't. Also, he made his own "good" movie which sucked ass :D
Nerdrotic - he's someone I turned away from very quickly, he doesn't hide it at all and is constantly racist, bigoted and discriminatory. He kinda serves as a lightning rod for the others, as in "oh this guy is so bad but these other ones are okay".
Oompaville - bit of a different genre, mostly react content, he always seemed like a classic freedom lover Texan but seemed like a decent guy. Kinda went off a cliff once Trump got re-elected with his snarky comments and comment section.
Baggage claim. Seemed like a slightly more feminist conservative but went off the deep end around the time of the election, spreading misinformation and diving into conspiracy theories about RFK and the deep state.

I'm sure there's others but those were the ones I remember the most.

Edit: I just remembered another one, Asmongold. He's close to being the worst one. He hides his opinions behind reaction content and video games, always acts like he's a "neutral fencesitter" but deep down loves it that Trump won again and was full-on conspiracy clowning about covid vaccines and the election being "stolen".

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago

It’s also very likely the divorce was the reason for the behavior. Getting lost in the sauce of that nonsense is a tragic but not unreasonable reaction to the trauma of divorce, or just being hurt by a woman. That ideology and the people who make money from it prey on weak, lost men for a reason. Thats what its designed to do.

[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You could be mixing up correlation and causation. The divorce could have happened for any number of reasons and the ensuing loneliness and alienation could have been what led the husband to seek validation in manosphere bullshit

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 days ago

you may be right in this specific case. when i said "i bet" i was taking a gamble. i based my gamble based on the sequencing of events i watched my friend go through. i'm sure you're right that it's played out the opposite direction, and that even for my friend her husband becoming authoritarian leadind to their divorce made her husband even more entrenched in that mindset.

[–] parrhesia@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

I bet that is really fucked up because you might spend a long, long time trying to convince yourself that he would change back or just be less of an asshole. That's a special sort of grief where they are still living but you're mourning who they used to be.