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I love the idea of it, and I love how tiny it is. Will probably get one when money isn’t so tight.

But I was curious if the power button was accessible without lifting it. And it genuinely isn’t. Why does Apple like shoving important IO and buttons underneath the device. Good thing it’s light?

Oh and a funny thing was the staff had to loosen its mount on the table so you could turn it on.

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[–] Sorse@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)
[–] garretble@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Really?

I mean, do what you will. No worries either way. But it does surprise me to hear lots of people turn their computers off all the time. I tend to just let them go to sleep and then wake them back up.

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How do you wake a Mac Mini? Is it enough to just press a keyboard button? If so, does the keyboard have to be wired, or does Bluetooth work?

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Move the mouse or touch the trackpad, or press any key on the keyboard and it wakes up quickly. BT OK.

Many macs that I work on haven't been shut down for months, usually just rebooted after system updates.

Sleep on a mac mini is very low power: if you use the computer every day it’s less energy than booting up.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

if you use the computer every day it’s less energy than booting up.

Source?

[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Which is exactly why they made this change. The Mac mini is essentially a screenless laptop in a tiny case. You don’t fully shut down your laptop between uses, so why would you shut this down? It probably costs $2/year in idle power costs. There is no common reason to regularly shut it off other than habits and personal preference.

Rather than Apple enforcing this through nag screens or other methods, they just make a simple design change to try and break this habit.

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Why do they need to enforce it though?

[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago

Because instant wake results in a better user experience. Contrary to popular belief, people frequently make decisions that make their experience worse out of habit or based on misinformation, especially when it comes to technology.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net -1 points 3 weeks ago

Because having always on devices normalized enables future surveillance (marketing) paradigms?

[–] michael_palmer@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

costs $2/year in idle power costs

Maybe even less. My Ryzen 5000 laptop runs for about a week in sleep mode. According to my calculations, this is about 3 kWh per year, which costs 0.4 euros in my country.

[–] folkrav@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

What is a "screenless laptop in a case" if not just a desktop computer...? And what is there to "enforce", really?

[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It refers to the low power consumption of the chip, conventional wisdom is to shut down old, large or power hungry desktop computers because they generated a lot of heat and consumed a lot of power while idle.

Whereas if you think of the Mini more as a laptop in terms of the heat it generates and the power it uses, then it makes more sense why they think you don’t need to shut it off.

The enforcement is breaking bad habits that make your experience worse. There is no reason to wait for the computer to boot every time you need it, but people still do it because old habits die hard. But if they just stopped, they would enjoy and use the product more.

[–] folkrav@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

This is the "you're holding it wrong" patronizing attitude all over again. I'm still extremely confused that it's remotely controversial that tucking a power button at a place you can't reach it on a piece of consumer electronics is stupid design. That you have to pull your computer from wherever it is to do something as basic as turn it on is stupid, no matter how you spin it.

[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

I never said it couldn’t be interpreted as patronizing, but it’s also a fact. Apple absolutely thinks it knows better than their customers what they want, that’s the “courage” thing they were referring to in eliminating the headphone jack on the iPhone.

That’s what I mean by opinionated design. I’m not espousing it or defending it, I’m just explaining it. I would take issue with calling it “stupid” though, it’s actually very considered. Whether or not you agree with the reasoning or conclusion is your own business, but stupid implies a lack of consideration or an oversight. It’s definitely not that.

If after all that you still feel it’s stupid or patronizing, then this is not the product or company for you. Which is also totally OK. Not everything has to be for you.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Why not use the menu? If you're using the computer every day, you have a moment where you log out. Why not shut down in like, 2 commands/clicks?

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And then to turn it back on???

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Yes? Via keyboard activation?? These machines are not intended to be shut down regularly. They are slept.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

Seems like this is not possible with apple’s keyboard

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No. You are an idiot. If you shut it down. It doesn’t not turn back on by keyboard activation. lol. You HAVE to press the power button.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Right. What button is your finger on to turn it off? Then you turn it on, walk away, and it's in sleep.

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I use the shut down in the menu. I do not press a button to turn it off. Are you really this dense?

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So you're still at one button interaction with a feature you aren't intended to use regularly. Is this really worth being uncivil about?

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m not being uncivil. You are ignoring an obvious design issue and defending it while acting like I must conform to your stupid way of existing. I won’t. And I’m not being uncivil. I’m rejecting your retardation bleeding into my life.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Called me an idiot and used "r" as an insult is pretty fucking uncivil, especially discussing a button on a computer, where I've met your every scenario.

Stop talking to me