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[–] AsakuraMao@moist.catsweat.com 159 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I will always say this in these "Nintendo shuts down beloved fan project" threads: why don't the people working on these projects operate anonymously and release via torrent? I feel like I've been reading the same story for 20 years. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone at this point that Nintendo will come after you.

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 233 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Because emulation is legal. It shouldn't have to be hidden. This was taken through the courts in 2001 with the Sony vs Bleem lawsuit.

What appears to be happening is Nintendo is abusing its power and money to make threats of legal action that these groups just can't afford to fight, even though they haven't done anything illegal. It should be coming as a surprise that Nintendo is coming for them, because this is completely legal, and not some fan game using Nintendo IP (which is what they normally shut down).

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Legal in the US. I think this guy is in Brazil.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

Is nintendo the source of the "come to brazil" meme? 🤔

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The Sony verdict didn’t establish emulation as legal

At most you find that it established using mods/creating derivatives is illegal

And on the low end it found that using pictures from competitors in advertising as comparison isn’t illegal

[–] millie@beehaw.org 1 points 2 months ago

That sounds like grounds for some kind of legal action. Antitrust? Class action? I don't know the specifics of the best strategy for approaching it, but if Nintendo is showing a pattern of using their legal team to harass legally operating emulator developers that sounds like something that should be actionable.

[–] BrowseMan@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

From what u understood It's a bit more complicated than that. Emulation is rather not illegal and in very thin ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wROQUZDCIMI

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nintendo didn't put legal pressure on emulator devs for decades at this point, which made devs less cautious about preserving their pseudonymity.

Now it's too late and they can't stop Nintendo from finding out who they are and which mistakes they did at some point over the years.

Maybe a new generation of emulator developers will be more protective of their identity, by using hosting providers like Njalla or privacy networks like i2p. The latter would limit access (as it requires i2p), which isn't desirable for most users.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

While that's true, it's incredibly reductive to a baseline of "nintendo should win because they are powerful and others aren't"

How many of these emulators were shut down through legal action or threat of legal action? I mean, the list goes on and on

https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/PlayStation_emulators
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/PlayStation_2_emulators
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/PlayStation_3_emulators
https://www.ppsspp.org/
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/PlayStation_Vita_emulators
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Xbox_emulators
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Xbox_360_emulators

Oh right, this happened https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment,_Inc._v._Connectix_Corp.

Nintendo is using every action possible to stop switch emulation, because, unlike other console companies, they don't produce any advanced or specific hardware anymore, and they purely survive through their IP.

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

And because these are never finished projects. People can rant and rave about cloning the git all day, but without active, knowledgeable developers with the knowledge of the original dev team, these projects are dead. It's not about using the emulators as they exist today... it's about continuing to keep them working going forward. Anything that releases in the last year or two of the Switch's life is now at risk of being lost forever into Nintendo's archives.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anything that releases in the last year or two of the Switch's life is now at risk of being lost forever into Nintendo's archives.

Somebody will archive it, for two reasons: 1) data hoarders and 2) hacked Switches.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure, it will be as playable as it is right now, right as the project shuts down. Any updates or improvements? Any new games? Only if someone else takes up the mantle and risks having world police nintendo suing them

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

I assume emulator development will continue eventually. Who knows when that will be, though.

The thing that sucks is that I'm in the middle of a couple of games, so if something upgrades and Ryujinx isn't compatible, I'm hosed.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is the first time they've been suing emulator developers.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Yeah! And they've been so cool and supportive of the gaming community thus far, <3 nintendo https://www.thegamer.com/a-snapshot-of-nintendos-convoluted-legal-history/