this post was submitted on 11 Sep 2024
108 points (100.0% liked)
Technology
37602 readers
354 users here now
A nice place to discuss rumors, happenings, innovations, and challenges in the technology sphere. We also welcome discussions on the intersections of technology and society. If it’s technological news or discussion of technology, it probably belongs here.
Remember the overriding ethos on Beehaw: Be(e) Nice. Each user you encounter here is a person, and should be treated with kindness (even if they’re wrong, or use a Linux distro you don’t like). Personal attacks will not be tolerated.
Subcommunities on Beehaw:
This community's icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I just don't understand how someone interested in antiquity can possibly fall for Trumpism. The fall of the Roman Republic was presaged by a guy literally trying to get elected to office so that he could escape prosecution for illegal abuses of power, and the legal system standing aside and saying "yeah, we'll let you do that in order to maintain the peace" and then falling into civil war anyway.
How much of that sounds familiar..?
The alt right obsesses over the Roman empire, but ignores the republic, as if Julius Caesar and Octavius were the origin of everything. As such I'm not surprised that they don't learn about what caused the fall of the republic. (A century or so of oppressed masses and greedy elites did it.)
And, even when it comes to the empire, they're busier cherry-picking examples that show that the grass was greener, the men were manlier, the women were chaster, and dogs barked quieter.
True, and that's important context if you're trying to get a deeper understanding of how Julius Caesar came to have the power he held before his assassination.
But there's enough of a problem you can see even if you just start at Julius, which is what I was concentrating on in my previous comment. The parallels to Trump are terrifyingly on the nose.
True that.
Weirdly enough (or perhaps not surprisingly) I see the same here with Bolsonaro supporters; there's a disproportionally high amount of them among classicists, even if humanities as a whole leans heavily to the left.
someone genuinely interested for intellectual reasons would likely not fall for it. I would imagine that a non-trivial percentage of "antiquity enjoyers" are very light on history substance and heavy on history feelz.
once the appropriate brain tickles have been pushed into their heads their "history substance" feed content becomes decidedly propagandized.
Agreed. Anyone who studies history should understand why Trumpism is bad and unsustainable.
But a lot of people are just in for the historical "aesthetics".
Aesthetics, plus the seductive appeal that pre-modern, pre-liberal-democratic societies (when the governments were authoritarian, the women were submissive, and the men "were men") have for reactionaries, incels, and cryptofacists.
I think this is it.
The historians I know of actually seem to lean quite left of the average person; it's the light hobbieists, who are often more interested in the aesthetics/surface stuff, who seem to fall victim to the alt-right stuff.
Honestly I'm a light hobbyist myself. My exposure to history is primarily via YouTube channels like the excellent Historia Civilis (their series on Julius Caesar and the downfall of the Roman Republic is stunning) and via games like Age of Empires.
Gotta remember that rome was a genocidal slave regime. That's why the founding slavers worshiped it so much. That's why there are fasces all over state churches. That's why fascists started fascism.
This all lines up perfectly with maga fascism.
As a Christian, the guy is literally an anti-christ, lol. Although I can see people voting for him because they dislike Kamala more