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Hmmmm. Commensurate? Worth it?
Keep in mind this is an undercount of Palestinian death.
I've heard counts well over 100,000.
Keep in mind that 67,000 of those deaths are women and children.
If that is their contribution to the world, Israel deserves no allies. Disarm them. Alienate them. Embargo them. Let them know what it's like to go at it alone.
Thats a casualty estimate, not a death toll. Although the Death Toll is absolutely too low an estimate, in part because Israel bombed out of existence the offices who administrate the counting.
I did not know that, thank you.
Yes, that includes injured and missing estimates.
There is actually a word for that, "casualties."
Doesn't "casualty" just mean someone killed or injured?
Precisely. In some contexts it also defines damages other than.
To be fair, they're discriminately bombing a place with a lot of children. I don't think they're specifically targeting women or children, they just kill everyone. Some might call it a genocide.
That's what we call a "proportionate response" here in the ol' Murica land.
Throwback to when a North Korean gun battery hit the USS Wisconsin with a single 155mm shot from a mountainside. It was the first and only time the ship had been hit from the shore. It hit some shielding, and caused little to no damage. In response, the warship turned all of her 16 inch guns on the mountainside, and obliterated it.
The USS Duncan, which was escorting the USS Wisconsin during their patrols, (and saw the hit and subsequent bombardment,) signaled “temper temper” before resuming patrols.
"WHAT mountain..?"
That doesn't seem that bad of a response to me, it's a battery not a residential hillside.
Giving someone the idea they can just take practice shots at ships whenever they wants is idiotic.
If they drove by taking shots every day for the next 30 days and then started invading with land troops it would be more comparable.
That's not the only thing Hamas have done, there have been a few other incidents over the decades... And the only reason Hamas have not done to Israel what Israel are doing right now is because they don't have enough guns. Honestly I'm just surprised it took Israel this long to do this.
I'm not saying what Israel is doing is right, far from it, I'm saying they're both so far below the level of acceptably decent people!
So you want to punish them for things they haven't done?
No, I'm just pointing out they're both fucking awful
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I'm not convinced that murdering 1200 people is defensible even if the retaliation is also not defensible. Both sides are fucking awful. Whether one side is less awful than the other is irrelevant. i do the vague thing because I don't care about the details, it doesn't matter who killed more innocent people they're both mass murdering authoritarian ultraconservative (if not outright fascists, and that irony is not lost on me) states. Every time this comes up someone like you goes "Waaah! Israel are worse!" and yes they are in actions (if not intentions - they're about the same), but that's not really relevant when both are so far below even a little bit defensible.
The best thing to do, IMO, would be to take the leadership ALL the leadership, of both states and lock them in a single room with two knives and no food, then melt the key. Then tell the populations of both countries not to elect such idiots and let them try again! Not gonna happen but a man can dream
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That's also not the only thing Israel has done. And Hamas was kept in power over Palestinians due to the actions of Israel leaders including Netanyahu who once personally facilitated the groups funding.
Yes they're both fucking awful
Sure, Hamas and Israel both are, but Palestine are the mostly innocent rug those two walk across.
I just think it should be stated despite what Hamas has done, Israel is not justified.
Have I ever said otherwise? I think I said exactly that when I said I was not defending Israel at all
According to AP
You're right. This was one major horrifying attack in October, but there have been many over the years.
I don't pretend to know what is a correct response. Overall it's horrible for everyone.