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That's not the only thing Hamas have done, there have been a few other incidents over the decades... And the only reason Hamas have not done to Israel what Israel are doing right now is because they don't have enough guns. Honestly I'm just surprised it took Israel this long to do this.
I'm not saying what Israel is doing is right, far from it, I'm saying they're both so far below the level of acceptably decent people!
That's also not the only thing Israel has done. And Hamas was kept in power over Palestinians due to the actions of Israel leaders including Netanyahu who once personally facilitated the groups funding.
Yes they're both fucking awful
Sure, Hamas and Israel both are, but Palestine are the mostly innocent rug those two walk across.
I just think it should be stated despite what Hamas has done, Israel is not justified.
Have I ever said otherwise? I think I said exactly that when I said I was not defending Israel at all
According to AP
So you want to punish them for things they haven't done?
No, I'm just pointing out they're both fucking awful
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I'm not convinced that murdering 1200 people is defensible even if the retaliation is also not defensible. Both sides are fucking awful. Whether one side is less awful than the other is irrelevant. i do the vague thing because I don't care about the details, it doesn't matter who killed more innocent people they're both mass murdering authoritarian ultraconservative (if not outright fascists, and that irony is not lost on me) states. Every time this comes up someone like you goes "Waaah! Israel are worse!" and yes they are in actions (if not intentions - they're about the same), but that's not really relevant when both are so far below even a little bit defensible.
The best thing to do, IMO, would be to take the leadership ALL the leadership, of both states and lock them in a single room with two knives and no food, then melt the key. Then tell the populations of both countries not to elect such idiots and let them try again! Not gonna happen but a man can dream
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You're right. This was one major horrifying attack in October, but there have been many over the years.
I don't pretend to know what is a correct response. Overall it's horrible for everyone.