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[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 113 points 1 month ago (47 children)

WTAF did they think was going to happen letting Israel act unchecked?

Launch attacks across borders and you fuck with sovereign territory and...checking notes... Those places have a right to defend themselves.

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 78 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Right, but it's not really a matter of what did they expect from just standing idly by as Israel brazenly tried to provoke military responses fron Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iran, since we're in this bizarre post-truth timeline in which governments and corporate media just blithely pretend that none of that happened at all

All of the versions of this story that I've seen so far either pass over Israel's provocations entirely, or try to bury them by just mentioning them in passing, in passive voice, and with no assignment of responsibility.

The stock phrase is "Iran vows retaliation after the killing of..."

The mid-phrase shift from active to passive voice is propaganda 101.

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Well stated.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Israel wants the escalation

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Netanyahu especially in particular.

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[–] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 67 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Someone check the pizza trackers around the Pentagon. If it's busy, we are in trouble

[–] 5wim@slrpnk.net 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Reference

But I've read they have since mitigated the traceability of their pizza eating through various means.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Someone finally got the green light on the pizza oven in the white house project they've been harrassing the budget committee about for five years.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Man, I can only imagine how much specialized kitchen equipment the Whitehouse has been stocked with over time. I bet they can make fuckin' anything

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

There's a comedic bit about that in one of those pulp thrillers. The President keeps trying to trip up the chef by requesting weird stuff, but the kitchen always comes through. But at the end of the book, the President sits down exhausted and just asks for a grilled American cheese sandwich—but they're out of American.

I'm sure that in reality, if they didn't have something, they'd send a runner to go pick it up real quick. Or nowadays, maybe doordash.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

When the president wants Thai yellow curry today and menudo tomorrow, you make it for them.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

The U.S. Pizza Industrial Complex solution would be to constantly have a high number of pizza orders being fulfilled by various vendors across the tri state area, filling vast salt mine vaults with a strategic pizza reserve, thereby hiding the signal amongst the noise.

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[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 23 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Tensions have been rising since early October, when Hamas launched a surprise assault on southern Israel, killing about 1,200 people and kidnapping about 250 others.

Israel’s subsequent war in Gaza has killed nearly 40,000 people

Hmmmm. Commensurate? Worth it?

[–] stembolts@programming.dev 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Keep in mind this is an undercount of Palestinian death.
I've heard counts well over 100,000.
Keep in mind that 67,000 of those deaths are women and children.

If that is their contribution to the world, Israel deserves no allies. Disarm them. Alienate them. Embargo them. Let them know what it's like to go at it alone.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Thats a casualty estimate, not a death toll. Although the Death Toll is absolutely too low an estimate, in part because Israel bombed out of existence the offices who administrate the counting.

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, that includes injured and missing estimates.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is actually a word for that, "casualties."

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Doesn't "casualty" just mean someone killed or injured?

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[–] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's what we call a "proportionate response" here in the ol' Murica land.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Throwback to when a North Korean gun battery hit the USS Wisconsin with a single 155mm shot from a mountainside. It was the first and only time the ship had been hit from the shore. It hit some shielding, and caused little to no damage. In response, the warship turned all of her 16 inch guns on the mountainside, and obliterated it.

The USS Duncan, which was escorting the USS Wisconsin during their patrols, (and saw the hit and subsequent bombardment,) signaled “temper temper” before resuming patrols.

That doesn't seem that bad of a response to me, it's a battery not a residential hillside.

Giving someone the idea they can just take practice shots at ships whenever they wants is idiotic.

If they drove by taking shots every day for the next 30 days and then started invading with land troops it would be more comparable.

[–] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

“Shots came from that direction.”
“Copy. Eliminating that direction.”

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[–] kn33@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So, no VP candidate announcement today? I hope this doesn't delay it beyond tomorrow.

[–] finley@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

they announced earlier that it would be announced Tues morning.

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Israel would use nukes if facing an existential threat.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah but no one in the middle east has the power to give Israel an existential threat.

Iran doesn't want an offensive or escalation because it would be incredibly in favor of Israel who has the latest and greatest in warfare tech and the backing of the USA.

Biden is probably more worried that Israel is going to use Iran’s attack as justification for ramping up his offensive in Gaza, which will hurt his reputation even further.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Iran doesn’t want an offensive or escalation because it would be incredibly in favor of Israel who has the latest and greatest in warfare tech and the backing of the USA.

Even before considering that, Iran does not border Israel and has several semi-hostile nations between it and Israel. Logistically, a full attack is just not possible for them.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 11 points 1 month ago

This is Israel's punishment for failing to remove Netanyahu. It's sad but not surprising in the least.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of Israel's own actions. I'm surprised none of the christards on the right and cheering this as the eminent arrival of the end times. I love pointing and laughing every time these religious wackadoos are wrong about the arrival of Armageddon yet again. Not that they ever freaking learn.

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