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Holy shit! It's one thing when fascist politicians and their other brainwashed supporters resist justice, but when soldiers attack soldiers, "potential civil war" isn't even hyperbole anymore!
In a country where almost all 18-21 year olds are in the army, you will have shit like that
Swiss here
No you don't
You need to rival people up by starting a mass genocide first. No one wants to have a war in Switzerland anyway, it's too hilly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderbund_War
An outcropping of the 30 Years War that ended with Swiss federalization. Helps when you have sharp political divides (in that case, Protestants killing Catholics) and young people driven to pick sides.
Israel is, similarly, experiencing sharp internal religious division between Reform Zionists and Orthodox branches.
Got anything more recent than 1847?
Nothing so dramatic as an outright civil war. But there's definitely a rising tide of youth violence which is reflected in an increasingly popular Swiss nationalist party.
This is in direct response to clashes between Swiss officials and migrant communities. Disparities between religious groups (in this case Christians and Muslims) are sparking more conflicts across the country.
Hey, I actually did a dissertation on that, so I am fairly informed to talk about this topic!
So few words, yet so many corrections.
and famously, this underlines my point about conscription fostering unity, the Tagsatzung always said that the soldiers of the Sonderbund were "eusi Brüedere" (our brothers), refused to use explosive ammo etc. (I could go on and on: Duffour refused to launch a surprise attack that would have been 100% successful to instead gamble and give them the opportunity to surrender because they didn't want to hurt their brothers. It went that far that radicals said he cared more about the lives of the Sonderbund than about the lives of the Tagsatzung)
All in all, less than 100 people died during this 3-week war and the country united again very quickly after it was over.
Regarding Israel: Like I said, I am from switzerland. I don't really know much on Israeli powerstruggles. All I know is: In Israel there are two groups of people.
And now before some asshole comes in: I do know a bit more about Israeli politics, but not more about its powerstruggles.
It's almost like universal conscription is a bad idea that negatively affects people!
On the other hand - who can resist free labor?
Fascists famously can't, so it's very much in character for the regime.
Swiss here - no it isn't
I'd even argue that it is a reason why switzerland is such a stable country.
I am lying in a ditch next to a Person that has the absolute opposite of my political Ideas and job and.... you get the Idea
But instead of seeing them as political opponents or whatever, I am lying in a ditch in the strongest rain. That welds together and fosters unity.
Yeah, it's easy to advocate for conscription in an alpine country that's famously neutral and hasn't been known to commit atrocities unrelated to banking.
I've participated in various activities with people who don't share my beliefs and always will and nobody had to force me to go larping in bad weather or murder and torture civilians to accomplish that.
Besides, as far as fostering unity goes, there ARE limits.
I guess I could hang with a right-libertarian as long as we don't discuss politics and their behavior isn't as awful as their politics. We couldn't be close friends, but we could probably hang out. Hell, I probably do already without knowing it.
I don't want to have anything to do with murderers, torturers and fascists, though, no matter what. Forced conscription would take my choice in that matter from me in most countries.
And people wonder why society is becoming more toxic
A swiss advocating for universal conscription is rich. Is that really something you want? You want to see the US military expanded by orders of magnitude? China? India and Pakistan? You think that ends well for the world, and doesn't just provoke more armed conflict and more death? Forced conscription is just another form of violence from the ruling class to control the regular people. It's absolutely insane to say that it would be a net good for society, or even to say that all political ideals should be tolerated. Why should I tolerate someone that advocates for the extermination of people like me, or anyone, for that matter? I can respect their rights, but I cannot respect their ideas.
I wouldn't endeavor to engage in stereotype. I'm an American Jew, I just happen to strongly dislike the Israeli government and IDF.
>sees israel flag
>haha must be rich stupid jew
>I am so smart
I'm an Atheist. Born and raised Catholic. No connection to Judaism or Israel besides the fact that I sympathize with them since the attack.
I in fact dislike how overstepping Israel's Mossad is. I think they illegally annexed the golan heights and have to give it back. But that wouldn't fit into your picture of the world where everything is a stereotype and there are clear good and clear bad guys, would it?
It getting more militarized probably has something to do with it.