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Trump said that "he (Trump) fully support's Israel's Gaza genocide."
Anything Biden can do, Trump can (and would) do worse.
Anything you can do, I can do better. I can do anything better than you.
Biden: I can support Israel’s killing of people in Gaza Trump: I will deport anyone that supports Palestine
Having been around awhile, it's so weird that people are trying to make the case that a republican presidency could be a good thing for... just about any country in the middle east. Not saying that any party is going to spend much time on it, but it's just a weird stretch.
Because people are that fucking gullible.
It's irrelevant what's happened or is happening unless it comes from timtok/Facebook/lemmy/reddit post.
Not voting for Biden is exactly what they want to achieve and people who haven't read past titles are their target.
Nobody thinks Trump will be good for the Middle East. They are just trying to pressure Biden to actually change his policy. The idea is he'll change course if he sees it's not popular and could threaten his election. I say publically it'll make a difference because I don't want Biden to support a genocide and it's the only tool I have, but I doubt it will. I'm sure they're all like me and live in a blue state, which means we're useless for the electoral college. He needs to try to get purple states.
And I'm sure that 70% of them are shills paid by the Kremlin to take down Biden so they can get Trump elected again.
Nah, I think genocides are just legitimately unpopular, especially among the youth who are probably overly represented on online media.
I don't think it's even just the red/blue state issue. I haven't seen many in a prime voting demographic who care about this issue and the ones that do care are concerned in terms of wasting taxpayer money. The overlap between demographics who aren't statistically likely to vote anyways and people who are concerned about this issue is looking like it may be pretty damning.
Ya, but he shouldn't turn away the youth vote imo. They had bigger than normal turnout in 2020 and they mostly went to him. It was still a small percentage of what the youth vote could've been if they got off their ass, but I think it still matters. It seems a risky gambit to abandon them for more reliable voting blocks that are also more hustorically conservative, especially if it means supporting a genocide and geographically and diplomatically isolating the US against the world. I have a feeling if you give the youth reasons to come out, they will.
I also feel like Gen Z is more political than past demographic, at least the ones I've talked to have been. But I might be all wrong here. Elections surprise even the pundits and analysts, so who could know after 2016.
The craziest thing to me are those further leftists threatening to abandon Biden and let Trump walk in.
I mean, they can complain and oppose the democrats all they want but they should also never ever forget that today’s GOP is just the latest incarnation of the leftist’s longtime fascist enemy. Keeping them from power is and always has been a top priority.
Right? it's like saying "I wanted chicken, not beef, but all we have is chicken.... So I'm just gonna eat the pellets in the Rat Poison bottle instead!"
I think that the majority of those are either accelerationists and/or state/political actors. Accelerationists soundly believe that the ends justify the means and think, despite a clear lack of solid evidence (and contrary evidence ex. Spain), that making things worse will force people to act to make things better. Mass repression and genocide of LGBTQ+ and POC are acceptable losses to reach Utopia... despite that literally never being the outcome at any point in recorded human history.
I hate that this sounds so dumb but we now live in a world where the truth sounds stupid
Again, a vote for a giant douche or a turd sandwich.
People keep claiming this, but never actually specify how Trump could possibly be worse than full-on support for genocide. Biden is 100% for the genocide, he has proved this and has put zero restrictions or conditions on Israel's far-right regime.
What we're seeing in Gaza under Biden will be the exact same thing we see under Trump.
This is not the argument neolibs want to be making at this time.
Yeah why would people just assume it will be worse with Muslim ban Donald who says "finish the job" and "deport the protesters?" Silly geese.
No, you're just illustrating what I'm talking about. How, specifically, do you envision Donald Trump being worse on this genocide than no strings attached support that Biden has given?
This lesser of two evils shit isn't working because Biden is showing himself to just be literally out and out evil. You guys need to come to terms with what you're supporting here, it's time to acknowledge how far to the right you've had to go to be trying to scare people into voting for your candidate with "nuances of genocide".