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Need this nationwide. I hate having fees added on to the price of what I'm ordering.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 206 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Only fees that are entirely optional — like leaving a tip for staff — can be left out of the posted price.

Wrong move. They should have outlawed tipping too. No more hiring for shit wages and leaving adequate compensation up to chance. Bump up the menu price and pay your staff an enticing salary.

[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 91 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. I hate tipping. Some tippers will hate for tipping to go away because they can use their charisma to make a lot of money. More power to them but tipping is just a way for these businesses to keep their labor low. Many other countries don't have tipping and can still have restaurants. For some reason the US needs tipping to be able to have restaurants.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Some tippers will hate for tipping to go away because they can use their charisma to make a lot of money

The funny thing is even if restaurants are forced to pay a living wage and not have tips as a subsidy, these servers would actually still be able to do that. Maybe not AS much as before, but between that and an actual living wage is bet they still would come out ahead lol

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 23 points 3 months ago (3 children)

A lot (not all) of workers in the service industry like tipping, actually. They get cash a lot of the time, which they like, and can under report on their taxes. Most people opposed to banning tipping, in my experience, are actually the people receiving the tips.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago (2 children)

And yet many of those people are also the first to complain about having inconsistent paychecks. Funny how that works

[–] hark@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Something tells me these same workers wouldn't like tipping so much if people didn't feel obligated to tip under threat of food tampering (real or imagined) or other threat/shame tactics.

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 3 points 3 months ago

I mean, I don't think they're necessarily the same people, that's why I said not all.

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The real perk of getting tips in cash is not having to visit an ATM to buy drugs from each other

[–] kingcake@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I can tell you've worked at restaurants.

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Not me but I've lived with a chef for over a decade lol

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I do wonder how much that’s changed over time. As more of us use only electronic payments or credit cards, that has to reduce the opportunity for tax fraud (same with panhandlers - I literally don’t carry any cash I could give you, so now what?)

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 64 points 3 months ago (3 children)

A restaurant in my area recently put up signs saying they pay their staff a living wage, raised prices, and forbaid tips. More like this, please.

[–] RecallMadness@lemmy.nz 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Meanwhile, most places in London pay at least the minimum wage (not lower for waitstaff, but not necessarily living wage) and tack on an optional 12-20% service charge, and don’t give it to staff.

You have to determine if the service charge goes to staff, awkwardly refuse the service charge, and (optionally) tip your waitstaff in cash (and if you do, ask they split it with back of house)

The times we’ve done it seems to make the staff happy. Still a shit thing to do.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A few places in Seattle experimented with different ways to go tipping when the city raised the minimum wage across the board without making an exception for tipped wages. A few forbade tipping a few had a standardized tip percentage. A few had a surcharge added on. Many made it clear how they did it. Shitheads like Tom Douglas did not make it clear and added a 4% charge on the bill noting that it was a living wage fee. I don't go to the ones who were shady about it. Largely it has all returned to standard typing. There are a few coffee shops like Seattle Coffee Works and an ice cream shop (Mollie Moon's) that do not allow tips.

[–] noxy@yiffit.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I still hate Tom Douglas for that shit.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

Add to that the fact that he was one of the big proponents against paying tipped workers a minimum wage.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They won't make nearly as much as they did with tipping. I expect either tipping to come back to that place or the servers to leave for somewhere better.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Or they could, you know, just pay the servers a fair wage.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, maybe they'll make $50/he. And maybe cops will fly.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 3 months ago

Raising wages is what business do when they don't want their employees to quit. It's not some mythical thing that never happens.

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 25 points 3 months ago

Agreed, but let’s not let perfect be the enemy of good here.

[–] gila@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago

Agreed, but overall a good move to address separate and much simpler issue of predatory pricing (for the customer)

Heading to mother's day lunch right now, set menu for $89 per person. Except it's a 10% surcharge on Sundays, the only day that mother's day is, so that price isnt really true at all.

This in Aus which I'd normally argue has better common-sense policies such as requiring sales tax in the menu price

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm not a California resident but once on a visit I ate at a place. Paid the bill. No tip. Left. The shopkeeper chased me on the street to catch up and ask why I didn't tip, and wasn't the food good, etc. Embarrassed, I was with a friend who is a resident.. I told her yes it was fine. "Then why no tip?!" Internally: Because it's a tip? I didnt get some kind of exceptional service there. If anything they left us alone really. So what was I tipping for exactly? why not just charge a different price, etc. Externally: "Oh I'm sorry. I didn't know"

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world -4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, but you know how the system works, so you intentionally stiffed someone out of their income. Regardless of if the system is correct or just it exists and you don't get to just opt out without being a gigantic asshole.

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Ok.. Thanks for your input I guess, but as a European, the practice of tipping isn't ingrained in my culture as it may be in yours. Frankly, I find it bizarre and from the outside I also see many in your own culture find it bizarre also. If not downright predatory of businesses on customers.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Why not? If the waitron is counting on an “optional” tip and doesn’t get it, maybe they have more incentive to insist on fair pay or move along. … that’s what I say to myself , anyway, as I’m leaving the tip

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If I go to McDonald's and they serve me food. I don't tip them. the same thing happened at that smaller restaurant. If all they did is walk the food to my table and that's it, then why am I tipping some percent extra for them to walk the plates 3 meters (~15 feet)?

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 months ago

Definately how it should be, but staff at most places hate that idea. They know they're making way over what they should be for the job, and they like not reporting all their earnings on taxes.

[–] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You don't need to ban tipping. Several countries don't have a tipping culture and that's because the waiters are paid adequately for their work. Tipping is seen as a bonus after exceptionally good service.
The US should raise the minimum wage for restaurant workers and not make it the customer's responsibility to make sure the waiter can pay their rent.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 3 months ago

Tipping culture has metastasized in the US. It won't go away on its own.