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Hey look, they CAN do something other than bomb the place into rubble and shoot everything that moves.
They can also force confessions of terrorism! Pretty bold headline that's parroting IDF propaganda, if you ask me. Wouldn't say this article belongs in a news community.
You could very well be right, but even if true it gives the lie to weeks of their excuses for how they have handled this so far.
This is also true. Any way you cut it, the IDF are the villains in this story.
Who will save the Palestinian population from Hamas, that setup military cells in civil buildings, schools and hospitals?
Did anyone tried to save them?
Did anyone succeed saving them?
By the current ongoing IDF revelations, since Israel disengaged from Gaza (2005) as an attempt to give Palestinians independence, there was ongoing terror prosper, not Palestinians prosper, but terror prosper.
Funny how the anti-Israel crowd moves the goal posts from there is no evidence to, this is IDF propaganda and can't be trusted. I guess the footage they released of Hamas tunnels was also faked? The footage of belligerents shooting from the hospital too?
On one of those videos that the Israeli soldiers filmed themselves and then posted (because they don't think they've done anything wrong), there's one where they're singing a song about attacking their enemies and one of the lyrics was something to the effect of "there are no civilians" among the Palestinians.
Of course, if the Israelis think that there are no Palestinian civilians, that means that every Palestinian is an enemy soldier, and therefore a legitimate target. :/
Source?
It's true that I don't trust the IDF here, just as I wouldn't trust the SS in WWII. If you think that's farfetched, then I will hope you come to your senses.
Soo, you trust Hamas instead?
IDF slogan "Hamas was all the bodies we created along the way"
Lol gotta love these deflections and whataboutisms. I always wonder if you lot are deliberately deflecting, or if you're just incapable of engaging in any meaningful way.
It is a valid question if you do not trust IDF as source of information. It is not diversion tactics.
Incorrect. I challenge you to scour my post and comment history for any mention of Hamas or anything that would justify you asking such a question. (I'll save you some time -- you won't find it.)
Otherwise, we'll just assume you're deflecting.
So, which information you chose to believe then? A made up one as you see fit?
Reportedly considering harsher immigration laws is fascism now? 🙄 What a reasonable take.
Can you show me 40 decapitated babies?
I will start to consider trusting them after that.
More than 100 bodies found in Israeli kibbutz Be’eri after Hamas attack (CNN) I don't know whether they are decapitated or not, but these are who IDF fight against, babies murderers.
The point was that the IDF made a big deal in the opening days about how they had found forty decapitated babies, and used that as proof of how bad Hamas was.
That was the one where they went too far and everybody started wanting proof of so outlandish a claim.
I really wish I could find the video where the IDF guy say something like” we know we have lied in the past but this time it is different.”
Those babies are where people started doubting them and looking at everything so clearly
It isn't related to this article.
The article state facts, and they'll remain facts until otherwise proofed regarding this article.
You are being wrong saying it's a propaganda because this is not a lie. It's an official report from within Gaza.
I have no doubt there are official confessions obtained via coercion including threats and possible torture.
I do have a doubt, because there is no proof it happened.
However, there is a proof that weapons were found next to baby incubators.
After Hamas killed more than 100 babies with their own hands, I actually won't have a doubt they'll put weapons next to these babies.
You can have doubt, you can not believe it, it's ok, but facts are facts.
Hamas is brutal and bad for the Palestinians, prove me otherwise.
Those soldiers went in after the bombings. You're inaccurately implying that they should have gone in without air support, which would have caused massive casualties to their side.
And those are the only casualties that matter!
No they don't.
In war, yes, it should be unsurprising that one's own forces are considered more important to protect than enemy forces, or civilians from a hostile nation.
"Enemy civilians." Implying all Palestinians are members of Hamas and thus deserving of death. How humanitarian of you.
The 7000 children killed in Gaza were not anyone's enemy. Because they were children.
I edited my comment to be more clear and concise, but you replied too soon, I had a feeling you'd interpret that phrase in the least charitable way possible.
Civilians from a hostile nation is more accurate, although widespread public support of intifada doesn't mean you're entirely wrong. Despite this, israel is still choosing military targets, unlike their opponent.
How exactly should have I interpreted the phrase "enemy civilians?" What is the charitable interpretation of that phrase?
Civilians from an enemy nation that's at war with yours
Gaza is not an enemy nation. It is not even a nation. This is supposed to be a war between Israel and Hamas. Not Israel and the Palestinian people. You are still saying all those children's deaths were justified.
Sounds like a nation to me.
Hamas is the government of Gaza.
When one's government goes to war, the people who live under it are subjected to the consequences. This is how war works.
That still sounds like you're saying all of those children's deaths were justified.
It's terrible, it's tragic, it's unfortunate, but yes it's justified provided these deaths are collateral damage when attacking valid military targets, as it seems they are.
What is not justifiable is using them as human shields and hiding among them. This is what caused these deaths: Hamas murdering Israeli civilians while hiding behind the children of their own nation.
Why Palestinians don't have more outrage for Hamas than they do for the IDF is beyond me.
Yeah, it is terrible when children are used as human shields, isn't it?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/un-report-accuses-israeli-forces-of-using-palestinian-children-as-human-shields-abusing-children-in-custody/
Yeah they sure were accused of doing a terrible thing 10 years ago by the incredibly biased against Israel UN, If true I condemn that too.
I see, so you totally believe the IDF's claim that these 90 men were terrorists, but the UN is definitely incredibly biased and because it happened 10 years ago, it doesn't count.
Interesting.
I never said it didn't count, but I would say it's not terribly relevant to the Israel Hamas war that's going on right now, and has not caused comparable deaths even if true. It just seems like an attempt at false equivalency between Hamas and IDF.
While it's good to be skeptical, the IDF is far more credible than their opponents or their detractors. They could still be lying but I'm not going to presume they are without evidence.
Regarding UN bias against Israel:
Based on what reasoning?
The fact that they present video evidence to support their claims, that they have so much scrutiny upon them, that most of the disputed claims they make end up being verified, and because frankly in this conflict I consider them the good guys. After watching October 7th footage, I believe Hamas earned what it's getting.
I'm certainly not going to readily believe the perpetual aggressor who pretends they are a victim as soon as they get counter attacked, who hides among civilians, openly commits war crimes, advocates for genocide, performs acts of terrorism, committed ethnic cleansing, oppresses women and lgbt people, while falsely screaming that Israel is doing the same to them like a boy crying wolf.
The UN also presents video to support their claims. What's the difference? Their video is fake?
Are you referring to the incident from 10 years ago? If there's a video and solid evidence of this war crime, I hope the one responsible got punished, but again, I don't see why this is terribly relevant to the war going on right now.
It also should be acknowledged that there's a difference between official idf policy and what soldiers do. I'm fairly confident that in any armed forces one will find unacceptable behavior if they look hard enough. Hamas' atrocities are official policy and strategy.
Amazing how you will excuse the IDF of any awful thing they do. Kill thousands of kids- acceptable losses. Use human shields- the IDF didn't do it, individual soldiers did.
And I'm sure they're burning food for a very good reason. It's probably got bombs in it.
It's against their rules and they're going to be punished for it, so it's unclear to me why you cited this. This is clearly not IDF policy.
It seems like you're trying really hard to establish false equivalency. It's clear to me that although it has its faults, IDF is nothing like Hamas.
It's amazing how you will condemn the IDF for actions that most other militaries in the world would also do if in their position.
Has the IDF ever done anything wrong?
But you're right, I would condemn any military that killed 7000 children in a few weeks.
Most definitely! They tried to cover up the murder of Shireen Abu Akleh and once their lies were revealed, they refused to punish the soldier responsible. I consider that to be pretty abhorrent.
There's supposed to be international law that restrains nations when they go to war. Instead, Israel is butchering children by the thousands.
Ah, I see, you're likely one of those singing that song. :(