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Hospital workers confessed to concealing weapons in incubators in the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU), a space intended for treating premature babies.

Video: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b15f0ps8p

Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20231217121032/https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1702751840-idf-conducts-operation-in-hamas-controlled-hospital-apprehends-90-terrorists

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[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

In war, yes, it should be unsurprising that one's own forces are considered more important to protect than enemy forces, or civilians from a hostile nation.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Enemy civilians." Implying all Palestinians are members of Hamas and thus deserving of death. How humanitarian of you.

The 7000 children killed in Gaza were not anyone's enemy. Because they were children.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I edited my comment to be more clear and concise, but you replied too soon, I had a feeling you'd interpret that phrase in the least charitable way possible.

Civilians from a hostile nation is more accurate, although widespread public support of intifada doesn't mean you're entirely wrong. Despite this, israel is still choosing military targets, unlike their opponent.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How exactly should have I interpreted the phrase "enemy civilians?" What is the charitable interpretation of that phrase?

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Civilians from an enemy nation that's at war with yours

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Gaza is not an enemy nation. It is not even a nation. This is supposed to be a war between Israel and Hamas. Not Israel and the Palestinian people. You are still saying all those children's deaths were justified.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.

Sounds like a nation to me.
Hamas is the government of Gaza.
When one's government goes to war, the people who live under it are subjected to the consequences. This is how war works.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That still sounds like you're saying all of those children's deaths were justified.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's terrible, it's tragic, it's unfortunate, but yes it's justified provided these deaths are collateral damage when attacking valid military targets, as it seems they are.

What is not justifiable is using them as human shields and hiding among them. This is what caused these deaths: Hamas murdering Israeli civilians while hiding behind the children of their own nation.

Why Palestinians don't have more outrage for Hamas than they do for the IDF is beyond me.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah they sure were accused of doing a terrible thing 10 years ago by the incredibly biased against Israel UN, If true I condemn that too.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I see, so you totally believe the IDF's claim that these 90 men were terrorists, but the UN is definitely incredibly biased and because it happened 10 years ago, it doesn't count.

Interesting.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I never said it didn't count, but I would say it's not terribly relevant to the Israel Hamas war that's going on right now, and has not caused comparable deaths even if true. It just seems like an attempt at false equivalency between Hamas and IDF.

While it's good to be skeptical, the IDF is far more credible than their opponents or their detractors. They could still be lying but I'm not going to presume they are without evidence.

Regarding UN bias against Israel:

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

the IDF is far more credible than their opponents or their detractors.

Based on what reasoning?

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The fact that they present video evidence to support their claims, that they have so much scrutiny upon them, that most of the disputed claims they make end up being verified, and because frankly in this conflict I consider them the good guys. After watching October 7th footage, I believe Hamas earned what it's getting.

I'm certainly not going to readily believe the perpetual aggressor who pretends they are a victim as soon as they get counter attacked, who hides among civilians, openly commits war crimes, advocates for genocide, performs acts of terrorism, committed ethnic cleansing, oppresses women and lgbt people, while falsely screaming that Israel is doing the same to them like a boy crying wolf.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The UN also presents video to support their claims. What's the difference? Their video is fake?

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are you referring to the incident from 10 years ago? If there's a video and solid evidence of this war crime, I hope the one responsible got punished, but again, I don't see why this is terribly relevant to the war going on right now.

It also should be acknowledged that there's a difference between official idf policy and what soldiers do. I'm fairly confident that in any armed forces one will find unacceptable behavior if they look hard enough. Hamas' atrocities are official policy and strategy.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Amazing how you will excuse the IDF of any awful thing they do. Kill thousands of kids- acceptable losses. Use human shields- the IDF didn't do it, individual soldiers did.

And I'm sure they're burning food for a very good reason. It's probably got bombs in it.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Asked by CNN about the videos, the Israel Defense Forces did not dispute their veracity, location or that IDF soldiers were involved. It condemned the soldiers’ behavior, which it said does not align with its rules, adding that the perpetrators will be punished.

It's against their rules and they're going to be punished for it, so it's unclear to me why you cited this. This is clearly not IDF policy.

It seems like you're trying really hard to establish false equivalency. It's clear to me that although it has its faults, IDF is nothing like Hamas.

It's amazing how you will condemn the IDF for actions that most other militaries in the world would also do if in their position.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Has the IDF ever done anything wrong?

But you're right, I would condemn any military that killed 7000 children in a few weeks.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Most definitely! They tried to cover up the murder of Shireen Abu Akleh and once their lies were revealed, they refused to punish the soldier responsible. I consider that to be pretty abhorrent.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -5 points 9 months ago

There's supposed to be international law that restrains nations when they go to war. Instead, Israel is butchering children by the thousands.

[–] athos77@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago

Ah, I see, you're likely one of those singing that song. :(