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I personally don't think that's cause they forgot, I think that's cause Americans are way more fascist than most left leaning folks are willing to admit to themselves. The idea the left pushes is that most people are good, but just apathetic and don't vote. I think many Americans are horrible fascist assholes. We can't depend on the silent majority, because they suck too.
Evil never sleeps while good just wants to exist in peace.
Good people don't try as hard to enforce their will because they're not selfish assholes. Nor can they understand that bad people will literally do everything they can to get their way.
If they're unwilling to act in the face of darkness then they are no better than that darkness. They are essentially part of that darkness themselves.
Evil grows in the dark ... Where the sun, it never shines ... Evil grows in cracks and holes ... And lives in people's minds.
I don't think that most of us are outright fascist, but I do think most of us are not just apathetic, but also willfully ignorant. For one reason or another--lack of education, viewing politics as "boring," no energy to pay attention beyond headlines, a lack of media literacy--most Americans simply cannot see the impact an administration has on society beyond their immediate experience. For these people, Trump was a guy who said stupid shit, lowered their taxes (ignoring the sleight of hand where the 'tax cut' was almost entirely due to changes in tax withholding so the extra money on their paycheck was counterbalanced by a lower tax return), and held a rally when he lost. They're not explicitly fascist--if the tanks start rolling down their town's Main Street, they'll wail and moan about "I never wanted this, how could this have happened"--but to them, things like "economics" or "human rights" or "democracy" or "equality" are boring toys that nerds play with. They're the type of person that complains about crumbling roads and potholes and bad traffic, then turns around and complains about construction projects to fix the very things they were complaining about.
So I don't necessarily fully agree that America is more fascist than we like to admit, but I think it's largely a distinction without a difference--most Americans are perfectly happy to stand by and let fascism take the reigns, to do nothing and complain about anybody who does try to fight against it, right up until it's too late and THEY'RE the ones up against the wall.
Fair point, but I think it's not quite as benign apathy as you imply. I think rather a lot of people are racist, or sexist, or believe that 'sluts that got knocked up deserve to be punished with a baby'. I think the uncomfortable truth that the left hasn't figured out, is that the nasty stuff trump said was at the very least not offensive to far too many Americans.
We are far, far closer to a society where those white folks in the background calmly watching a lynching of a black guy than we like to believe. They're not the ones with the rope and they may not have ever done anything explicit themselves, but they're all fine watching it and spending time with the people who did it too.
Most of American society seems to be that classic, fake white Christian charity group that seems so helpful putting out a meal for the homeless at the holidays while simultaneously hating everyone they can get away with, abusing their family at home, and generally being terrible people that have an outwardly normal appearance.
People who are willfully ignorant and still choose to vote are responsible for the fascists they vote for. I'm tired of pretending they're innocent because they "don't know" what they're voting for.
So you are arguing to not vote and let the fascist win quicker because you are obsessed with political purity & can't be bothered to talk to your neighbors?
No, I'm arguing for people who are so ignorant they would vote for the fascist to not vote.
That’s the trick of the right wing propoganda machine. These people don’t think k they’re ignorant, they honestly believe they’re enlightened and ordained as superior. They think they’re the chosen people.
Ironically, they love to bash Jews, too.
Best of luck finding people to vote for disfranchisement. I personally think its awful what we have already let alone to do so for political wrong think.