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BitTorrent Pirates Won’t Receive ISP Warnings (It Will Be Something Worse) (torrentfreak.com)

submitted 7 months ago by Cuscuz@lemmy.world to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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[-] snooggums@kbin.social 2 points 7 months ago

A company admitting they comply with the law when ordered to by the court is a positive to me as it means that they don't do it unless they don't do it on a whim and they are complying with the law, which would most likely also include privacy laws. Any company that would refuse a court order is going to be shut down and probably have all of their records turned over instead of the narrow subset that would be ordered by a court.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

What you want is for them to demonstrate incapacity to comply. “We’d love to help your honor, but as we sell a privacy service we don’t log user activity”

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago

https://www.pcmag.com/news/nordvpn-actually-we-do-comply-with-law-enforcement-data-requests

"From day one of our operations, we have never provided any customer data to law enforcement, nor have we ever received a binding court order to log user data. We never, for a second, logged user VPN traffic, and the results of multiple audits prove that we are true to our policies," the company said.

In the event the company does receive information requests from a law enforcement agency, NordVPN says it "would do everything to legally challenge them."

"However, if a court order were issued according to laws and regulations, if it were legally binding under the jurisdiction that we operate in, and if the court were to reject our appeal, then there would be no other option but to comply. The same applies to all existing VPN companies if they operate legally. In fact, the same applies to all companies in the world," NordVPN said.

So they don't log and are just admitting that they might need to if they were forced to. That is extremely reasonable.

[-] kungen@feddit.nu 1 points 7 months ago

admitting that they might need to if they were forced to. That is extremely reasonable.

It's not though? The reasonable result would be to simply shut down in that jurisdiction.

[-] kungen@feddit.nu 8 points 7 months ago

You can comply with the law whilst not having anything to provide the law. Such as Mullvad does.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 0 points 7 months ago

That is also now Nord works, they just clarified that they would comply with a court order if necessary which is how legal businesses work.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/nordvpn-actually-we-do-comply-with-law-enforcement-data-requests

"From day one of our operations, we have never provided any customer data to law enforcement, nor have we ever received a binding court order to log user data. We never, for a second, logged user VPN traffic, and the results of multiple audits prove that we are true to our policies," the company said.

[-] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago

You do you but it also means that if they suspect you of illegal downloads or streams and get that court order, that they'll log that shit and then you'll receive those lovely letters eventually, making the whole point of the VPN pointless.