Jk! Unless...

Peach Freeze

Oh no. DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU'VE DONE

You've summoned...him, you fool!

Hah, don't try to play the reasonable middle-ground card with me.

American political parties do not define political perspective globally. U can have conservative views and still hate what the us conservative party is doing.

Sure, hide behind semantics. I'm clearly talking about conservatism as an ideology - the same ideology that opposes progress and protects hierarchies of power worldwide. Whether it's the US Republican party, the UK Tories, or Australia's Liberal party - it's all built on the same foundations of preserving privilege for some at the expense of others.

Not at all I hate people who oppose freedom and equality of opportunity.

Bull. The policies your "side" keeps pushing TARGET specific groups of people - immigrants, LGBTQ+ folks, Black and brown communities. Don't pretend it's about some noble principle when the outcomes keep hurting the same people over and over.

That's the same thing as what Hitler promised.

Are you seriously comparing leftist policies to Nazism? This is peak bad-faith argument. Hitler used promises of "equality" as a very thin veneer to scapegoat Jews and other minorities. Hitler's "equality" was only (and openly) for his defined "master race" - it was exclusionary by design. Leftist policies aim to include everyone in their benefits. In some cases the same tactics the right uses today, Hitler was far closer to today's right-wingers than left

The left says the exact same thing for the exact same reasons just they point the hate at different groups of people.

No, we don't. Being intolerant of intolerance isn't the same as hating someone for their identity. Calling out bigotry isn't "hate" - it's accountability. I refuse to accept this false equivalence.

Equality of opportunity or equality of outcome cos those are 2 very different things.

This talking point is so tired. There IS no "equality of opportunity" when systemic barriers exist from birth. Your side loves to pretend we're all starting on equal footing when that's demonstrably false.

I'm in Australia where we have free healthcare

Oh, so you enjoy the benefits of "leftist" policies while arguing against them? How convenient. And yes, your healthcare system IS better than our nightmare - because it operates on COLLECTIVE responsibility rather than individual "freedom."

So why align with any political group if u know they are all the same playing the same games.

They're not all the same, and that was my entire point about. What they lie ABOUT matters.

When progressive leaders lie, they're promising universal healthcare, living wages, and equal rights they might not be able to deliver. When conservative leaders lie, they're just literally scapegoating immigrants, LGBTQ+ people, and minorities for all of society's problems.

I align with the side that at least has to PRETEND to care about making everyone's lives better, not the side that openly campaigns on making certain people's lives worse. The fact that you can't see this difference proves you're not the "free thinker" you claim to be.

Both sides have corruption and liars, but only one side has to appeal to basic human decency to get votes. That's why it matters who supports whom, even knowing politicians will more likely than not disappoint me.

I never said I believe the lies

Yet here you are, repeating every conservative talking point in the book. You claim to be above it all while pushing the exact rhetoric that maintains the status quo.

Save your "both sides" nonsense for someone who'll fall for it. I'm not interested.

Well it can be done, IRL, and it does seem as though it can be done online as long as it's across a time span of years and a deep well of mutual respect to lean on.

Hah, no. When I look at the conservative party all I see is hate, hate and more hate.

You hate the people that are different from you or whoever you're told to hate. You spend so much time dressing up this hate to make it more palatable for yourself and others, but if you peel it all away, that's what really drives you and your fellow conservatives and it is just shameful.

At least with the tankies, what they do, they do because it'll bring true equality (or at least that's what they're led to believe).

The reign pullers for conservatives tells you to vote for them, support them, spread propaganda for them to hate on a group because some group deserves your hate for one inane reason or another.

The reign pullers for tankies have to get their support by promising good things like equality, the banishment of the rich, full unalienable human rights to include healthcare.

Yea the reign pullers are lying, they always do that on all sides, but what they have to lie to you about to get you to do the things they want you to do MATTERS.

And the lies they feed you, are disgusting.

Yea, IRL it's possible, but it's much got damn work. I'm doing this rn for some family members, and it's been a few years and I think I'm starting to make a breakthrough on one.

I've needed to stoop to some "drastic" measures though, like manipulating their favored corporate social media algorithms away from the alt-right bubbles or drastically artificially slowing down certain places like Facebook so that it's "painful to use"

Well, this has got to be one of the only things I've ever upvoted from you, but yea

Internet arguments are more about the audience than the tankie you're arguing against.

I've certainly taken that approach with the tankies these days, I used to debate them, now I don't really because its pointless. I reply to them every time, but it's arguments for the audience more than anything.

When I was petitioning for !conservative@lemmy.world to turn it into a satire comm, one kind of comment I saw come up was "if they don't have a comm where we can argue with them, how can we get them to see the light?" (And before anyone brings it up, yes there are other Lemmy spaces (and a whole instance! (HilariousChaos) that are for "serious" conservative comms like !conservative@sh.itjust.works) and I still think it's pointless to try because of what I covered with the opening post, but I was really hoping for at least a rare case of it happening.

Oh yea haha that guy was a trip, I swear posting on Reddit was legit their daytime job lolol

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