MyBrainHurts

I think you might be missing a few things.

First, sure there's probably some minor feedback but really, outside of luxury goods (which neither Apple or Google are at this point) more customers is seen as better by investors/the market.

Yes, the market is all theatre but amazingly, it's theatrics to which a great deal of attention is paid. The more share prices of magnificent 7 stocks drop, the more that affects those who have actual power and influence.

Heck, forget abandoning smartphones, living in a cave would be the ultimate way to not contribute to America. But most folks want to balance their morals with a functional life, which for many includes a smartphone.

If you want to slap back, instead of trying desperately to convince maybe a handful of folks to switch to dumb phones over tarrifs, much better to help a lot of people make incremental but helpful changes.

Lol, I'm not sure I'd take "people jot wanting to talk with me after I gwt increasingly silly" as a victory but hey, if that makes you happy, cool?

I simultaneously care about the climate and have a reality based view of the world, which is something I don't think we share.

Have a good day.

I thought you had a typo... You're unimpressed because China has... population growth?

And yes, in the path to decarbonization, they've been explicit that it's a process. You cannot expect a developing economy to instaneously transition to a net zero economy while growing, that's an insane ask.

If you read the second article you linked a bit more closely, you'll note that they are talking about China's rapid development. It would be absurd to imagine an economy growing that rapidly could do so while keeping their total emissions the same.

Meanwhile though, how does this compare to America? What major decarbonization efforts are they undergoing? To my understanding, they are so hell bent on undoing Green projects that they are even cancelling those that Biden put in red districts in an attempt to shield them from the Republicans almost sociopathic disregard for climate change. So, in a question of whom we'd prefer on climate policy, I'm not quite understanding what the heck you're trying to say? China's not perfect but you can see a path to climate neutrality, without wishful thinking, do you see anything comparable at a Federal level in America?

Yeah, they've pretty strongly turned from recent history though. No one in NATO believes the US could be trusted to uphold article 5 anymore. That's the whole issue.

Hell, why doesn't Ukraine have the nuclear deterrnet that it had after the collapse of the Soviet Union? Because they foolishly believed American security promises, which were given in exchange for them releasing their nukes.

Source on the abandoning decreasing emissions? They're shuttering coal plants, starting the world's largest hydro electric project, pumping out the next generation of EV cars, massively funding green tech etc. And I'm hard pressed to find anything comparable in America's course.

And sure, bears can swim but few can do so over an ocean. Even a casual understanding of modern history or an ounce of common sense should show you how much easier it is to invade a country next door than it is to maintain supply lines across an ocean.

Which is more of a threat, the bear actually threatening to eat you or the one an ocean away?

And to make things more interesting, which is worse for the world, the country doing their damnedest to make climate change worse or the one that has essentially single-handedly made solar power a viable alternative?

In a geopolitical sense, they are more useful to us right now for two reasons:

1. Any shot that hits Tesla hits America incredibly effectively as Tesla is one of the Magnificent 7, which means it has an outsized effect on the American markets/economy.

2. Showing America that the world is ready to decouple from it and support to its rival over this nonsense is a powerful signal/threat.

No. There's no telling what comes after these 4 years. The US has proven that they aren't an ally worth relying on, we should look to more reliable partners and building them up and vice versa. Any concession or help offered by the next administration isn't worth the paper it's written on (just look at trump ripping up his own trade agreement for this nonsense.)

We need allies not a neighbour that on a whim might try to throw us into a recession.

They are allowed in...

Automobiles are a great example! Yes, those parts cross the border multiple times and that's exactly why they are excluded from counter tarrifs!

You can check for yourself:

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2025/03/list-of-products-from-the-united-states-subject-to-25-per-cent-tariffs-effective-march-4-2025.html

It is also why trump just exempted automobile parts, his tarrifs hit them, ours basically didn't. (I think we have tires because we finish those as a whole part and the production chain is a bit different for those.) The overwhelming majority of the effect on American auto stocks is because of self imposed costs to American businesses.

We're not aiming our tarrifs at things that will target our own factories. Look through the list and let me know what you think looks like a production input that would get refined here and then sent back.

Edit: For more evidence, you might look at today's stock rally after trump announced delaying auto tarrifs. You'll note Canada made no mention of lifting any of our counter-tarrifs and it'd be weird to assume there'd be a massive change in boycotts or diversification off a one month tarrifs reprieve in one sector.

All of our proposed tarrifs are for some 150 billion, which is less than what, one sixth of Tesla's worth?

There are realities to contend with here.

Are we not adult enough to admit that there is a serious inequality and that by ourselves we don't really have the power to seriously affect the states?