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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (11 children)

Every country knows the US changes faces faster than my ex girlfriend.

At this point other countries just need to deal with 4 years of this bullshit.

If Trump were to take over the government like Hitler did, which looks to be the case, only then would countries start looking at dropping the USA.

[–] MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca 19 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

No. There's no telling what comes after these 4 years. The US has proven that they aren't an ally worth relying on, we should look to more reliable partners and building them up and vice versa. Any concession or help offered by the next administration isn't worth the paper it's written on (just look at trump ripping up his own trade agreement for this nonsense.)

We need allies not a neighbour that on a whim might try to throw us into a recession.

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 4 points 18 hours ago

When the us comes crawling back we should make them pay reparations for any economic or other damages before they're welcomed back.

[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 3 points 17 hours ago

Exactly. With a Presidential Monarchy, no deal or treaty can be trusted past the next election (assuming they'll still have those).

More than more Trump, we are also seeing a complete abandonment of the US much vaunted system of checks and balances. You simply can't deal with them except in 4 year periods.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world -1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

If you look back at the history of the US, it's been fairly reliable in it's first world alliances.

[–] MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, they've pretty strongly turned from recent history though. No one in NATO believes the US could be trusted to uphold article 5 anymore. That's the whole issue.

Hell, why doesn't Ukraine have the nuclear deterrnet that it had after the collapse of the Soviet Union? Because they foolishly believed American security promises, which were given in exchange for them releasing their nukes.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly. But it also shows it's more about Trump than America.

Plus we got other stuff to worry about, and playing nice with America is probably better in the long run.

[–] MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

What? Ukraine was first invaded before trump and then again without him there. In both cases, the security provided was less than what was originally guaranteed. Ukraine got screwed by believing America.

It's not just trump, there's a whole Senate and Congress cheering him on. I would not gamble our future by relying on it to only be a trump phenomenon. If Americans had elected him once and horrified of their mistake, never came close again, that'd be one thing. But we has elected with a plurarlity of votes.

America has proven an untrustworthy ally and that thwir promises aren't worth the paper their written in.

I don't think Canada's security should be "well, let's just hope they don't do it yet again!"

[–] thijsje@social.vivaldi.net 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

@MyBrainHurts @x00z yeah its a harsh lesson here in Europe as well. But a Trump that was slightly more patient and subtle would have been far more dangerous for us all.

[–] MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Oh absolutely, thank heavens trump is cartoonishly cruel and selfish, it's quickly united everyone else. A clever, subtle and patient trump would've been much more dangerous.

I just fully disagree with the earlier comment that this is a one off trump only aberration.

[–] thijsje@social.vivaldi.net 1 points 1 hour ago

@MyBrainHurts oh yeah absolutly, it fits a patern.

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