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I once had an intern who previously worked for me call and ask that I be used as a reference, but lie about what they did and for how long. I was like: uh⦠no if I get a phone call I will describe your role accurately.
Crazy that they would think anyone would do that
I'd probably be willing to lie depending on how far out it was. Like if a job asked for your references for the past four years and they were there for three I'd probably fudge the numbers
Isn't there official insuramce revords for those type of things? Do they just take the reference's word? I mean how do you even know who you're talking is who they say they are.
At one of my old jobs, someone who was a manager at another business called and assumed I was a manager as well. He asked for a reference on an employee who had recently quit. The guy who left hadnβt been very good at the job, but he was a good person, clearly trying something different in a new field. I gave him a good βreferenceβ, and the other manager sounded happy.
I wonder how it went for my old coworkerβ¦
I'm not sure what it's like in other countries but in the UK most of the time they will not be able to say anything bad about you even if you were awful
Really? How come?
Not OP, but I heard that if you don't get a job because of a bad reference, and you can prove they were misleading, then you can sue them for defamation.
Many people don't want to take the risk, or say, "I'd rather not comment on x".
Exactly, most larger company's HR departments beat into the managers. You only give out that they worked there, their position, and how long
I've also heard it's common to ask if they are eligible for rehire. It's an easy way to get a feel for them without any actual details that could bite you.
In Germany a reference must be written in a kind manner by law. So there's this codified language called Zeugnissprache, or reference language.
For example she carried out her tasks with care can mean she's inefficient.
I've had previous co-workers and managers contacted as part of a background check. I imagine the companies I worked for were contacted as well, though I don't know that for sure. As for actual job references, it's been less about the company itself and more about the people I worked with.
For example, I worked at one company for a number of years. Eventually, I left that company and worked at a different, unrelated, place for several years. Then, when I was again looking to change jobs, one of my previous co-workers at the first company passed my resume to his boss, who had also worked with me at the first company. They were looking to hire someone to be a contractor for a third organization, and the person responsible for managing people at that third organization was also someone I had worked with at the first company. They all remembered me and had liked my work. Basically, my resume bounced from desk to desk with everyone saying, "yup hire this guy."
You never know when the people you have worked with before will be the people who get to decide on hiring you later. Always try to leave on good terms, it may come back to you later.
It worked great, usually I'll arrange for a reference while leaving my previous job but doing it retroactively works too. Usually I'll prefer a reference from a work friend over someone with an impressive title.
And this is why you don't exit a job by soaking the bridges in jet fuel and lighting them up with a flamethrower.
I have left jobs where I literally wanted to punch my boss out but stayed professional and got a
good reference.
I have also watched people lose their minds and yell insults and threats while being escorted out.
Your ego is bullshit. Leave on good terms and get a better job.
One time my buddy got fired from Jiffy Lube so I changed my voicemail to 72nd street Jiffy Lube and gave glowing praise as his manager.
You mean like a random person at your previous job? Why wouldn't you get a reference from a coworker/manager/boss that you were friendly with during that employment? Lets be honest, if everyone at that place hated you & you have no one friendly there to give you references then you probably should avoid using anyone there as a reference.
It's also possible I'm overthinking this, right now I work at a small business whose owner is very spiteful & always talking badly about people he dislikes (employees & otherwise). That would absolutely be the last person I would use for a professional reference if/when I leave the job, LOL. Luckily all my coworkers get along great so I'd have plenty of other references to use there.
No I'm talking about situations where you want to find out if someone is actually giving you a positive reference in situations where things might not have ended on the best terms.
For example someone quiting because they said they couldn't work Wednesday and their boss calling them lazy.
You could get a friend to call posing as a potential employer to find out.
Why would you put your landlord down as a reference?
Because you need one for your next landlord.
On the flip side, I've told people flat out not to use me as a reference because I'll be honest in what I think of them.
"We don't do that"
I am the perfect tenant why would I do this
Oh really? How much did you tip last month?? /j
Being perfect doesn't mean a lot to some landlords. They'll still try to find something that rubs them the wrong way.
A lot of the time people find out when they go to get their damage deposit back