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submitted 10 months ago by minorsecond@lemm.ee to c/books@lemmy.ml

I'm nearly finished rereading 1984 and my appetite for dystopian books is whetted. What are some other great ones I should check out?

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[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 35 points 10 months ago
  1. Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. It's a must read if you're into dystopia. Unlike Orwell, Huxley doesn't focus on politics of his time. Specially good to read alongside Island, an utopia of the same author, dealing with similar topics (society, drugs, the human condition).
  2. Anthony Burgess' A Clockwork Orange. It has some satirical vibes, but it is not a good book to read if you're feeling down (content warning: sexual violence). It focuses on a teen gang leader in the near future, and talks about themes like the impact of free will on morality.
  3. William Golding' Lord of the Flies. Technically not a dystopia, but it "scratches" the same itch. It's about a bunch of kids dumped in an island, without adult supervision, and the resulting nasty proto-society that they build from it.
  4. Yevgeny Zamyatin's We. It's perhaps one of the grandparents of the genre; it talks about individuality on a society controlled by a state that managed to conquer the whole globe.

There's also Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. I don't recommend it - the book is basically a "if Orwell was right-wing, soapboxing instead of trying to explain what's going on, and with poor writing skills". Seriously.

[-] minorsecond@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Yeah if never been interested in Atlas Shrugged, after learning it’s very conservative leaning.

Great suggestions!

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

Yeah, the whole book boils down to "the hand of the market will solve errything!". Except that Rand doesn't know that the hand of the market has Parkinson's.

[-] breckenedge@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

She also kills off every character she sees as weak through their generosity. The book just hits you so hard over the head with her philosophy rather than letting you think.

[-] Haus@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

I read Brave New World &1984 back-to-back and highly recommend it.

[-] BreadOven@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Also by Huxley: Ape and Essence. Also a good read. Different though, but still dystopian.

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[-] HipPriest@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

We is so obviously an influence on 1984 I'm surprised it isn't better known!

[-] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

Brave New World and Clockwork Orange are two of my favorite books period. Great suggestions!

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[-] hotwarioinyourarea@slrpnk.net 17 points 10 months ago
[-] minorsecond@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

I got halfway through this book but sadly it became one of my DNFs.

[-] soupspoon@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I know it's not a book but you could also watch the original miniseries, I really like it

[-] Fenzik@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The Handmaid’s Tale

Brave New World (kind of dystopian…)

Fahrenheit 451

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[-] fomo_erotic@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

I think Le Guins "The Dispossessed" belongs here. Its a dystopian/ utopian comparative about an anarchist planet and a capitalist planet. Highly recommend. I've got a signed copy somewhere.

[-] Drusas@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

I have to recommend that people by the book and not the audiobook. Narration matters.

[-] TheNumberOfGeese@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

I found "A Canticle for Leibowitz" an astounding read. More apocalyptic than dystopian, but solid.

[-] ArmoredCavalry@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I finally read it not long ago, and it was really interesting! Especially given how long ago it was written, seems like it established a lot of the themes you see in modern post apocalyptic media.

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[-] JesseoftheNorth@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago

The Road, by Cormac McCarthy. Very grim, but beautifully written.

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[-] DippinDoots@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

Fahrenheit 451! It's a pleasure to burn!

[-] Vinegar@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

I have not quite finished the book yet, but Kim Stanley Robinson's The Ministry for the Future is hard-science fiction set in the near future when climate change tipping points start to be reached, and it is so far my favorite book in a long time. It is dystopian, but not bleak or hopeless.

[-] Someonelol@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

I'd argue this book is a little too hopeful. So many of the solutions to climate change involved every rival economic superpower giving up some of their control to make things better for humanity (e.g. world banks backing a digital currency that rewards removing or preventing the release of carbon from the atmosphere, displacing people from their land to create an unbroken wilderness across the globe, etc.).

I recommend Feed by M.T. Anderson if you wanna see a hopeless dystopia. Schools are run by corporations, young people are apathetic and kept ignorant since they'd rather enjoy a virtual world via brain implants, the oceans are pretty much dead, and the world is on the brink of nuclear war.

[-] ArmoredCavalry@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Checkout Wool by Hugh Howey. The Silo TV series is based on it, great story!

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 points 10 months ago

William Gibson's Sprawl series. Neuromancer, Count Zero, and Mona Lisa Overdrive.

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[-] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 7 points 10 months ago

The MaddAddam Series by Margaret Atwood.

  1. Oryx and Crake
  2. The year of the flood
  3. Maddaddam
[-] ninetynine@lemmy.film 7 points 10 months ago

Jennifer Government by Maxx Barry. In fairness I read it 20 years ago and do not know how it's aged. It was good back then though.

[-] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 10 months ago

I read it about 10 years ago and I found it good then 🤷‍♂️

[-] ArtOfDoubt@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I was going to recommend the same. I remember reading it like fifteen years ago and enjoying it.

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[-] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

This is almost the opposite of a dystopia, but I think still fits.

The Dispossessed by Ursula K. Le Guin - A character from a utopia returns to dystopian earth. It's primarily the main character wandering around realizing how terrible things could get on our current trajectory. It's great!

[-] breckenedge@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Anarres is a utopia? Don’t tell Shevek that.

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[-] Todd_cross@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago

I haven't read 2035, I loved 2033, but couldn't get through 2034. Should I retry 2034?

[-] einfach_orangensaft@feddit.de 5 points 10 months ago

2035 is very differrent from the other 2. Its actually not adventure or horror its a political work reflecting on the modern russia under putin

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I get plenty of dystopian stuff in the news - I advise reading something to escape reality.

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[-] Kayel@aussie.zone 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

*Neuromancer by William gibson is crazy dark and is the book which started the cyberpunk genre.

The forever war by Joe Hadleman is cynical but not totally dark, still has some awesome dystopic themes which have not lost their power over he years. Hard to say if it could be read as critical of current gender ideology or in support of it.

If you've ever thought about getting into the 40k universe Dan Abnett is great and his writing of female characters gets better over the years.

Alastair Reynolds and peter f Hamilton mention many societies in their space operas and generally have a pretty grim, imo realistic, view of human nature and how it might follow us to the stars.

Brave new world is an interesting concept for those who like dyspotic worlds. IMHO not a great book, still worth a read.

[-] exuberantlime@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Kayel means Neuromancer, not Necromancer. Don't want you to fall down the wrong rabbit hole.

Also I stand behind all of their points. Neuromancer is cool because its the grand daddy of cyberpunk and predicts stuff like the modern internet and what's starting to seem like our megacorps.

Forever War is one of my favorite sci fi novels of all time. Very influential military theme that seems like a counterpoint to Starship Troopers.

Everything by Dan Abnett is great. He's the best writer employed by Games Workshop. If you don't know much about 40k, his Eisenhorn series is fun. A decent stand alone novel is Double Eagle which is a dark sci fi story modeled after WW2 dogfights. Even the "good guys" in 40k are aggressively dystopian.

Reynolds and Hamilton are on my to read list but haven't gotten there. Do you guys recommend anywhere to start with them?

[-] Kayel@aussie.zone 4 points 10 months ago

Thank you friend, it seems we have similar tastes for similar reasons. Would you recommend anything else?

For Reynolds, the revelation space trilogy is he best received and has his biggest ideas. But you could start anywhere. While he has some core themes, his ideas are all over the shop between books; each unique in both style and concepts.

Peter F Hamilton is an odd one. His writing is very male but the hard sci fi ideas and world building are second to none. The darkest place to start is the Confederation universe. The most fun and fantasy adjacent is the Void Trilogy. Despite being a hardcore fan I'm not very well read on him.

For both, their short stories are exquisite, in some cases mind bending and worldview changing.

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[-] HipPriest@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

As a slightly different take I'd recommend SS-GB. Technically it's an alternative history novel whether the Nazis won WWII and conquered the UK.... But that's pretty dystopian in practice, especially when the main character is a policeman.

I don't know if The Trial counts exactly as a dystopia but it certainly conjures up the paranoia and confusion of being caught up in a beruacratic nightmare like you might find in a police state.

High Rise is a great satire on the class system translated to people moving into the then new high rise blocks in the UK - only the rich can afford the apartments at the top and so on. The first sentence involves the hero having to eat a dog to survive.

A Clockwork Orange has been mentioned already, but it's easily my favourite. And very different and more brutal than the film, which is also great but more its own thing. Alex is a much nastier piece of work in the book, and the last chapter of the novel isn't in the film

[-] Haus@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Three good novels to see if you have a taste for cyberpunk: The Diamond Age: Or, a Young Lady's Illustrated Primer and Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson, and Neuromancer by William Gibson. The first is lush and leisurely, the latter two are very lean and fast-paced.

[-] OmegaMouse@feddit.uk 3 points 10 months ago

I've read the Neal Stephenson books you mentioned and loved them but I wonder if they're really dystopian? Injustice is certainly a big part of those worlds but I don't find them as bleak and hopeless as some other truly dystopian novels I've read. He seems to explore how new technologies could completely change our societies, but they always feel like worlds that are on the cusp of something new (rather than allowing technology to back themselves into a corner with no hope of improvement).

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago
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[-] Drusas@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

This isn't exactly helpful or constructive in regards to having a conversation.

[-] guyrocket@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

Sorry you think that.

I find it interesting and relevant. It is a good source of ideas for answering OPs question.

Or do you insist that it must only be done from memory?

[-] sweetviolentblush@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

Why not? We can all look over the list and discuss the books listed. That's a great way to start a conversation.

[-] copandballtorture@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

"This Perfect Day" by Ira Levin was good enough when I read it 15+ years ago.

"The Dispossessed" by Ursula Le Guin does a lot of world building (in short, anarchist separatists fled Earth to terraform the moon to be barely hospitable) and a fun glimpse into a would-be anarchist society

[-] oleorun@lemmy.fan 3 points 10 months ago

Random Acts of Senseless Violence was a good read.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

'Walt To The End Of The World' Suzy McKee Charnas. Centuries after the nuclear war, women are treated as slave/chattel because they caused the War. imho much better than 'Handmaid's Tale.'

[-] frankfurt_schoolgirl@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

The Iron Heel by Jack London is one of the earliest dystopian novels. Imagine if the third book of the Hunger Games were written by an early 20th century socialist.

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