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A 14-year-old boy allegedly fatally shot his older sister in Florida after a family argument over Christmas presents, officials said Tuesday.

The teen had been out shopping on Christmas Eve with Abrielle Baldwin, his 23-year-old sister, as well as his mother, 15-year-old brother and sister's children, Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a news conference.

The teenage brothers got into an argument about who was getting more Christmas presents.

"They had this family spat about who was getting what and what money was being spent on who, and they were having this big thing going on in this store," Gualtieri said.

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[–] Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 174 points 1 year ago (108 children)

Just as the architects of the Constitution intended

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As the 2nd amendment says:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, well-regulated militias shall have the right to keep and bear arms. Also, in a twist completely unrelated to that other sentence, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. I'm talking rifles, muskets, flintlocks, hell, even futuristic weapons nobody's invented yet. Not part of a militia? Doesn't matter. Completely unregulated? That's right. Also, by 'people' we mean everyone: kids, witches, the addled, it's a free for all!

Of course, most people only know the final trimmed-down edited version of that amendment. The original was much better, IMO.

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[–] cbarrick@lemmy.world 120 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Jesus.

The 14 year old brother shot his 23 year old sister.

Then the 15 year old brother shot the 14 year old brother, and disposed of the handgun.

The 23 year old sister is dead. The 14 year old brother is stable.

The 14 year old is being charged with first degree murder. The 15 year old is being charged with attempted first degree murder.

The sister had a child, which was not harmed.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everything about this is messed up and tragic

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

...and preventable. Emotional teenagers should not have access to firearms!

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[–] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This whole thing is tragic and beyond dumb.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would be tragic if this didn't feel like reading a weather report.

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[–] schwim@reddthat.com 110 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More guns in the hands of the other children would have kept this travesty from occurring. #hopesandprayers

'Murica!

[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 year ago

If the 11-month old was armed, all this could have been stopped!

[–] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 99 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The bullet traveled through her left arm and into her chest, popping both of her lungs. She suffered internal bleeding and was unable to breathe

That's the nice way of saying she drowned in her own blood.

"These young kids — 14, 15 years old — routinely carry firearms and this is what happens when you got young delinquents that carry guns," Gualtieri said. "They get upset, they don't know how to handle stuff, and they end up shooting each other."

Just FYI, this is not limited to children. There's plenty of adults who have zero idea on how to handle stress without flashing a piece. I've seen about six different people use that as a method of indicating I'm getting over in your lane on my way into work pre-pandemic.

[–] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (16 children)

I’m pretty gullible and I believe a lot of stuff. So I’m asking this sincerely.

Are you saying that in America people are tapping their widow with a Glock and giving you the stink eye to get into your lane? Like, instead of indicating and then waiting for a safe gap?

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago (18 children)

America is pretty big, and that isn't something that happens where I live (Seattle)

But there are parts of this country where a surprisingly large percentage of people are completely fucking insane and peacock with weapons in reckless ways. It also isn't unusual for children to have guns, even if it isn't legal.

There's a high school in rural Colorado that has given up on doing anything about guns in their high school because something like 30% of students are armed on any given day.

I grew up in Tennessee, and students were allowed to store guns in their cars parked in the high school parking lot.

I have met many people who open-carry and then openly emphasize it to others because they want to be intimidating. It's a part of their identity, and they will let you know in inappropriate ways.

This country is weird. I'm happy to live in a less violent part of it.

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[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've never seen someone flash a gun in my almost 30 years in the US.

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[–] banshee@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago (7 children)

15-year-old brother and sister's children

This sentence is a great argument for the Oxford comma.

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[–] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Go into any of the relationship subreddits today and for the next few days and you will see countless Americans melting down into various degrees of rage and bitterness over Xmas presents.

It’s like this very goddamn year.

Can anyone explain this part of the culture to me?

I’m not saying I hate all Americans or anything ridiculous like that, the cast majority of Americans I’ve met are good hearted people but when it comes to Xmas and in what I’m given understand is the modern vernacular: “y’all cray.”

Don’t any of your families still watch the Charlie Brown Christmas? Because you really should.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 34 points 1 year ago

Go toxic places to read toxic things. I've never heard of this. But also I can't imagine going to a relationship board and expecting to come away with anything but misanthropy regardless of time of year.

[–] loki_d20@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Materialism is really big with a lot of people. My in-laws kids are spoiled rotten and only accept big brand name stuff because that's all their parents give them for Christmas and Birthdays. Same people who can't afford to pay their mortgage and are likely to lose the house in a few months.

I like present-less holidays. Better to focus on just being with people I find. Also helps if there's a lot of good, homemade food.

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 18 points 1 year ago

I like present-less holidays. Better to focus on just being with people I find.

presence > presents

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[–] NAK@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

There are 335 million people in the United States.

One asshat shot someone.

I'm not defending guns, shitty culture, or shitty people, but this is clearly a case where this kid has some sort of mental disorder. Literally hundreds of millions of families watched Charlie Brown and went the entire holiday without murdering each other

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (13 children)

There were 89 shootings in the united states on Christmas day. Source with incident reports for each one.

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[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (11 children)

No it is not clearly a case where the kid has some sort of mental disorder. You know literally nothing about this person.

I would probably bet that this kid made a stupid split second choice in the heat of the moment about something that (partially likely due to raging teenage hormones) probably seemed very important at the time, and the guilt will haunt him until the end of his life (which, statistically speaking, just got much shorter on average).

This is exactly why guns are so dangerous. It gives people (in this case, a literal child without a fully developed brain) the capability to make a decision to end another life in a split second.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Entirely too many people base their self worth on what other people think of them.

So "I didn't get enough shinies" = "nobody really loves me" = "I'm a worthless human being".

Alternately "I didn't get enough shinies for my kids" = "I'm a bad parent" = "I'm a worthless human being."

Then that gets reflected outwards, poorly. :(

Breaking that cycle of seeking approval from other people is one of the hardest things you can do. At our core, we all seek validation on some level or other.

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If only there was a good sibling with a gun to stop him...

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[–] FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (20 children)

That's it no more guns... For minors that is.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Three years ago I had to stop my 17 year-old adopted sister from hitting our elderly mother over $30 of missing Amazon crap on Christmas day, then I called the sheriff on she and her baby daddy. Five cars came to mediate the situation.

Needless to say, I don't go to family Christmases anymore.

Families suck.

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[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Strict liability for whoever was the legal owner of the gun(s), I say.

Whoever let these children get their hands on the firearm is absolutely a murderer. Even if it someone who let their gun get stolen from their car. Definitely if it was a family member or friend.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Kalysta@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

And Florida’s answer to this, along with so much of the country, is more guns. Absolute insanity

[–] Norgur@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Well, those kids had already been born, so IDGAF. Vote Republican!

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