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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 135 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The only thing I could think of with the whole "1000 Mozarts" comment is that there's a very real chance that if the world Musk and Bezos envision came true, those Mozart level geniuses would be working in an Amazon fulfillment center or a Tesla assembly line, wasting their talents as a slave to capitalism.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's what they actually want anyway. Drones for their business ventures.

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[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

That's actually something that's likely already happening, assuming they manage to even achieve that.

I guarantee there are tons of potential geniuses born that are never afforded the chance to develop or even demonstrate their abilities... and when they do, aren't recognized. Either because they are from the dirty poors and/or the Moneybags family can just leverage their resources to ensure their kids get the opportunity or recognition instead.

If you don't believe in fairness or equality, the potential benefits to yourself by way of improvements to society from geniuses should motivate you.

I'm so tired of the pattern of a well balanced society flourishing and then a few selfish fuckwads hoard resources and starve their society back into a stagnant imbalanced fief.

[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 92 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Since when do facts count as shitposts?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's an educational shitpost for people who think Luke Combs is the height of musical talent.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Who TF is Luke Combs?

Also, wishing you good luck!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Luke Combs is a shitty country music star who is definitely no Mozart.

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[–] dojan@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

I think this is the creme de la creme of shitposts.

[–] OpenStars@kbin.social 4 points 6 months ago

Since when have they not? (Though the reverse is not true.)

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 70 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The idea that population numbers are all it takes is so stupid. Mozart is not just one guy who was really good at writing music. I mean, obviously, he literally was, but he only existed and wrote what he did in the way he did because of not only his own "genius" but also the circumstances he was raised in, his education, the musical traditions that he drew from, the fact that he was wealthy and had time... Etc etc.

Adding more people living in poverty, with poor education, no connection to musical or artistic tradition, and no time... Will not add more Mozarts.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 49 points 6 months ago

"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops"

  • Stephen Jay Gould
[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Mozart wasn't wealthy, his customers (patrons) were. His father trained him in the family trade from birth and put him to work at a young age.

He had a lot in common with Michael Jackson in that way, but Michael got insanely rich and Mozart didn't.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Most of the super famous classical composers were born with in 90 years of each other. On one hand thay were brilliant musicians, on the other hand It was also this thing that was happening right then.

I'm fairly certain if the circumstances were different we still have a bunch of people doing the same work.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

Those composers are famous because they were pioneers in the development of music and their work has been used to educate musicians in virtually all countries during the last century. There are composers creating similarly valuable music today, sometimes working in cinema or video games, and composers doing pioneering work, usually in experimental music. They aren't as famous because their work isn't being used worldwide to educate musicians, but they might be by 2123, provided society hasn't collapsed.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 40 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

They said multiple Mozarts. Ween also checks those boxes.Ween

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There’s probably quite a few that are really only known to their immediate friends, families, and communities.

There are a lot of really talented people out there, who will remain mostly anonymous. It’s probably nicer for most to not be in the limelight, though it sucks for the rest of us who will never know.

[–] Igotz80HDnImWinning@kbin.social 46 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I bet there are a ton of Mozarts who have to work shitty jobs just to exist and will never fully develop their skills due to economic inequality. If we give everyone UBI, at least some of them would develop fully.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"You know what the greatest tragedy is in the whole world?... It's all the people who never find out what it is they really want to do or what it is they're really good at. It's all the sons who become blacksmiths because their fathers were blacksmiths. It's all the people who could be really fantastic flute players who grow old and die without ever seeing a musical instrument, so they become bad ploughmen instead. It's all the people with talents who never even find out. Maybe they are never even born in a time when its even possible to find out. It's all the people who never get to know what it is they can really be. Its all the wasted chances."

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bad ploughmen? Living in an Amish paradise?

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's from the Discworld novel Moving Pictures. If it's spoofing something, I didn't get it.

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[–] dojan@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yeah I can see this. I also think there'd be quite a few that just aren't interested in the fame, or maybe want to keep their stuff private.

I know a person who writes her own songs every so often. They're usually made as a way of dealing with something going on in her life. I had no idea about this until after like five years of knowing her she shared one. It was beautiful, she has a great voice, and she plays the guitar really well. Since the pieces are so personal it's just not something she'll share with most of the world.

Is she a Mozart? I don't know, maybe. To me at least the experience was really profound.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There are exceptions, but in general, in the modern music world, beauty trumps talent. You could be a great musician, but if you don't look pretty on YouTube, the A&R people think no one wants to hear you.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I think modern media can offset that a little. There's been plenty of people making use of virtual avatars to represent themselves in the past few years and still achieve decent success. Though obviously you're quite limited in what you can do if you remain anonymous.

I recall a few years ago a singer rather like that, REOL, made her first music video which she herself starred in and it kind of did accelerate her popularity. It's hard to remain anonymous if you're also looking to tour and be on stage. As an aside; it's delightful how her "face debut" song is about how she's unsure how she wants to do her debut.

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[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We can add Frank Zappa to the list.
'watch out where the Huskies go '

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I would say that Zappa didn't really fit criterion 3 like Al does.

Not to take anything away from his genius. But not every musical genius needs to be a Mozart.

[–] VubDapple@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think he does fit. Consider the genre spanning records he did in the 80s like Joe's Garage with every song from a different style. Consider how he found talent in unusual places and incorporated it, for instance Ruth playing the marimba in Inca Roads. But point also taken. No one mocks like All mocks

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I guess in a way I feel like Zappa was in a class all his own.

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[–] Beardsley@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. dun. dun. dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dundundun dun dun dun dun dun dun.

A.I.D.S.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 38 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Fuck it I'll die on the same hill with you.

[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

I'm a simple man. I see Weird Al, I upvote.

[–] playereightyone@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The hill is going to be a hill of bodies.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

You shall have my axe

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There are well over thousands who have skills beyond Mozart today. The few who become well known are determined by very different things, having skills like Mozart is almost irrelevant. He's also just sort of the token "music talent" example for people who don't listen to music, often goes with the idea "classical music" is when music peaked.

The "gifted piano prodigy" I grew up with is a burnout in his 30s. There's an unassuming data analyst I work with who likely exceeds his skill and just teaches on the side. My local symphony had to cancel this season due to lack of sales. A band at the jazz school my brother attended (BBNG) got sampled by a rapper and were a breakthrough success. This is sorta what it looks like for the Mozarts of today.

[–] Twelve20two@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bad Bad Not Good? I remember listening to them on Sound Cloud

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah they were all students at Humber, in the Toronto area. Obviously all skilled musicians, but there's a drummer Larnell Lewis who's a student mentor there, my brother was lucky enough to have him, and while lesser known he's a drummer's drummer and insanely skilled. A "Mozart" of drums you could say. While he's successful and tours with Snarky Puppy and the like, it's not like he's a household name or anything. There's so much talent out there.

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[–] pelotron@midwest.social 13 points 6 months ago

Jacob Collier as another serious answer.

[–] art@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You just made Mozart sound cooler to me.

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[–] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago

Wrong place to post - this is just high quality content

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean it's not wrong. Kind of incredible really.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Really, the only way he doesn't fit is that he doesn't have the massive ego Mozart had. That, and I guess he's not quite as dirty. Mozart once wrote of piece of music called "Lick My Ass."

[–] WeirdAlex03@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

*clears throat in Weird Al fan that's long gone off the deep end*

And for commercially released stuff, there's also One More Minute with the line "Now I'm stranded all alone in the gas station of love, and I have to use the self-service pumps!" and the entirety of Wanna B Ur Lovr is just innuendo after innuendo

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Wouldn't it also mean a thousand Musks and Trumps?

Or probably millions of them since they are not very smart at all, just attention seeking man childs.

[–] WhisperingEye@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Christmas At Ground zero is the best Christmas song ever!

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[–] tslnox@reddthat.com 4 points 6 months ago

That's absolutely true.

[–] BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I feel Damon Albarn might fit this as well, specifically with Gorillaz. They don't have a style because it always changes on each album, hell their shit post song if the full version of Do Ya Thang where Andre 3000 just says "I'm the shit" for over 7 minutes.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

This post has so much BDE.

Incredibly based.

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