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Craig Sumner Elliott, 68, allegedly shot Antonio Garcia Avalos, 40, in incident in Orange county

A California jogger was charged this week in the killing of a homeless man who was blocking the sidewalk.

Craig Sumner Elliott, 68, was jogging with his two dogs and pushing a cart on 28 September when he came across Antonio Garcia Avalos, 40, who was sleeping in the middle of the sidewalk, prosecutors in Orange county, California, said.

Elliott allegedly tried to wake Avalos by nudging him with the pushcart, whereupon Avalos started yelling at Elliott to leave him alone.

Elliott, who allegedly filmed their encounter, then brought a handgun out of his cart, prosecutors charged, adding that when Avalos stood and threw a shoe at Elliott, he ducked and responded by shooting Avalos three times.

Avalos subsequently died from his injuries. Elliott, who does have an active concealed carry permit issued by the local sheriff’s office, was arrested on 17 November in the incident.

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[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 151 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Someone who goes jogging with a concealed gun is just looking for a reason to murder someone. This guy found one. 

[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In my neighborhood there is a old guy who takes his little granddaughter for walks while open carrying a gun. We live in a very safe suburban area. Some people are fucking nuts and are totally looking for a fight.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What you don’t realize is he’s open carrying to scare the granddaughter straight, she’s concealed carrying and the only thing stopping her from killing you all is grandpa.

[–] teft@startrek.website 27 points 1 year ago

The only way to stop a bad grandpa with a gun is a good granddaughter with a gun.

[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

It's ~~turtles~~ guns all the way down.

[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

My neighbor is strapped when he mows the fucking lawn. This is in a neighborhood where zero violent crime has taken place in the five years I've lived there.

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Eh, hiking and jogging are actually a really good reason to CCW, especially if you live in a remote area. You also have to think about mountain lions and bears where I am, though. We've also had multiple trail abductions, 2 of which resulted in laws being passed for abduction here.

That being said, I have been sickened by the number of times I've heard jokes like: "This'll give the mailman a bad time", or, "I hope they fuck around and find out." I completely agree, a lot of gun owners WANT to shoot someone.

[–] QHC@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He had two dogs with him. Highly doubt he's getting mugged or attacked by mountain lions.

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not talking about this guy.

I'm not trying to defend the guy, but two dogs would get DRAGGED by a mountain lion.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

That can't even be a comfortable way to jog!

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[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago (2 children)

alright time to go for a jog! got my running shoes, sunglasses, headphones, whoops, can't forget the gun!

[–] ZzyzxRoad@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

Or the cart, apparently. Who jogs with two dogs and a cart?

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've seen countless americans claiming that it's perfectly justified to drive over people if they get in the way of your car, so this is pretty on-brand.

[–] tygerprints@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a fact of life here in Utah. Polls have shown most Utahns believe they are justified hitting or killing someone with their car, if that person is in the road (even in a crosswalk) and happens to impede their car. They truly believe this. Of course page one of our driving handbooks states "no matter the situation, pedestrians always have right of way over oncoming cars." This should be obvious to even the lowest grade moron, but I guess that explains why it's not obvious to Utahns - they get most of their information from supermarket tabloids and Fox news.

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[–] Augustiner@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man is almost 70 and still jogging and shooting homeless people while filming it! Must have been a wild life.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago (11 children)

He had two dogs and was pushing a cart that carried his gun...

Whatever he was doing, it wasn't jogging.

And him taking his phone out to record himself kicking the other man and yelling at him first, was likely only because he was hoping to antagonize a homeless person so he could "defend himself".

He's got to be one of those idiots who believe the "stand your ground" bullshit.

You can't start kicking a sleeping man and then claim you're a victim, but he's gonna try

[–] yenahmik@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That was my first thought, reading the article. There's no way he was just jogging. What kind of jogger takes a cart with them? I've never seen something like that, and I see a lot of joggers in my area.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

When the story first broke, most articles called him a dog walker.

Anything to not make it obvious it's another rage addicted boomer I guess

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People with children in strollers. Other than that, I've never seen it either.

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[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. This is one of the big problems with so many people carrying guns. There are many shitty people looking for a reason to use them.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

What a fucking coward, you threw a shoe at me? Time to die!

dehumanization is absolutely disgusting, and it's a core part of this capitalist hellscape

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[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

This wouldn't have happened if only the homeless man had a gun! We need to educate the homeless to carry weapons! More guns is the answer!

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Before anyone says he deserved it for throwing a shoe...

Someone did that to George W. Bush, WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT, and he was simply arrested.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago

I believe they threw both shoes even!

[–] dewritoninja@pawb.social 6 points 1 year ago

That shoe was a weapon of mass destruction

[–] MartinXYZ@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

And this happened in Iraq.

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[–] Pirate_lemmy_arrrrR@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Well trash has been removed from the sidewalk.

Unfortunate that an innocent homeless man had to die though.

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This could have been avoided if there was a Good Jogger With A Gun

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I'm starting a charity... "Arm the Homeless". We can set up arming stations for the unhoused, providing assault rifles and even free ammo for those who run low.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Supposed "good guy with a gun" led to a death that wouldn't have happened if there were stricter gun control.

[–] TheBloodFarts@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Arm the homeless!

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Clearly he needed to use deadly force to protect himself from that (checks post again) rogue shoe...

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Maybe it was an assault style shoe

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've heard it was a semi-automatic shoe with bump stock.

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He must have customized it. That model usually comes with a birken stock.

[–] CosmicApe@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago
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[–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago

He should have done like W and dodged the shoe. Shit George dodged twice and didn’t shoot anyone. He left the shootings to Dick Cheney.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 21 points 1 year ago

Wants a guy laying on the sidewalk to move. Naturally, he kills him so he can't move out of the way. Logical.

[–] Brekky@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly how do you 'nudge' someone with a cart? Is talking to them loudly or reaching down and touching a shoulder really that impossible? (god forbid you choose to go around them, the inconvenience!)

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[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Apparently, it was the old man who threw the shoe, not the homeless man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_1mzHyXstI

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Glad he is charged. It is what he deserves.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Only took 50 days to arrest him. Expedited.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago

This "well-regulated militia" was legally carrying a firearm. Biden's deep state is charging him anyway!

--Conservatives, probably

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