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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Hypersapien@lemmy.world to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world

These days, kids identify them by the aspect ratio.

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 74 points 11 months ago

And video quality. Watching some historical videos from my childhood, like tv shows on youtube.... the quality is pure potato. Either the archiving is terrible, or we just accepted much worse quality back then.

[-] Hypersapien@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

People always said that Betamax was better quality than VHS. What never gets mentioned is that regular consumer TVs at the time weren't capable of displaying the difference in quality. To the average person they were the same.

[-] spongebue@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago
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[-] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

There's a lot of archival video that is just terrible. Digital video compression issues have damaged a lot of old footage that's gotten shared over the years, especially YouTube's encoders. They will just straight up murder videos to save bandwidth. There's also a lot of stuff that just doesn't look great when it's being upscaled from magnetic media that's 240x320 at best.

However, there's also a lot of stuff that was bad to begin with and just took advantage of things like scanlines and dithering to make up for poor video quality. Take old games for example. There's a lot of developers who took advantage of CRT TVs to create shading, smoothing, and the illusion of a higher resolution that a console just wasn't capable of. There's a lot of contention in the retro gaming community over whether games looked better with scanlines or if they look better now without them.

For example.

Personally, I prefer them without. I like the crisp pixelly edges, but I was also lucky enough to play most of my games on a high quality monitor instead of a TV back then. Then emulators, upscaling, and pixel smoothing became a thing...

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[-] cokane_88@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It was filmed with poor quality and the films can degrade overtime. It was archived that way because the source was 💩

[-] dandroid@dandroid.app 7 points 11 months ago

I watch a lot of hockey. Just watching hockey games from the 2000s are full on potato. I don't remember them looking that bad back then.

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[-] 200ok@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

pure potato

Lol

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[-] Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de 56 points 11 months ago

I do by audio quality. We currently live in the age of badly understandable dialogues.

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

I noticed when watching Good Omens on Amazon Prime that they offer a language option "Original + Dialogue Boost".

It works wonders. Almost feels like back in the days again when TV shows wanted dialogue to be understood.

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[-] BurnoutDV@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

This is actually because our microphones became better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8

[-] Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de 21 points 11 months ago

Sure, microphones got better but there is more too it. One huge factor is the mixing for cinemas and not for home theaters or worse for TV speaker.

[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago

No, the video actually goes into that. Directors think it's "more real" to have mumbled dialogues. But they seem to misinterpret that as "more mumble = more good".

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[-] barnsbauer@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

This video was exactly what first came to mind when I read "badly understandable dialogues"! It bothers me that as we got better mics, the actors became more unintelligible instead of the other way as one would predict.

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[-] drz@lemmy.ca 14 points 11 months ago

I think most people have given up and use subtitles on all the time.

[-] 1847953620@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Does anyone actually randomly send you nude girls? Genuinely curious

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[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's just as well. Where would you even put them all?

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[-] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

... or how blurry the image is (SD vs HD).

[-] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 14 points 11 months ago
[-] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Radio vs TV for Boomers

B&W vs Color for Gen X

SD vs HD would be Millenials

4K vs HD for Zoomers

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[-] bufordt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

That's a big problem for stuff that was originally shot on video. Old stuff shot on film can look pretty good when digitized.

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

But then you also have that very specific window of time when a lot of stuff especially SFX was done on video that can't be upscaled. Babylon 5 fans weep.

[-] cokane_88@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

When I was a kid I used to think black and white meant the TV show or whatever used to be in color but since it got old it turned black and white. My thought process was they changed color just like old people's hair turns grey... This was 35 years ago before internet.

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[-] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

Even early 16:9 stuff looks pretty dated now if it hasn't been remastered to 1080/4k.

[-] i_am_hiding@aussie.zone 5 points 11 months ago

Laughs in Australian 576i free-to-air TV

[-] balance_sheet@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

I was a private tutor about few years ago teaching 16 year old. I was 22.

I still can't forget his face looking at me like a living fossil talking about how crazyit was to have a touch screen phone the first time...

[-] Grimlo9ic@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

That's such a trip. Only a 6 year difference between the two of you, yet you experienced the dawn of something and they didn't, and it shapes both of your perspectives so much.

Even though it technically applies to transistors, Moore's Law has been a good barometer for the increase of complexity and capabilities of technology in general. And now because of your comment I'm kinda thinking that since the applicability of that law seems to be nearing its end, it's either tech will stagnate in the next decade (possible, but I think unlikely), or we may be due for another leapfrog into a higher level of sophistication (more likely).

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[-] natarey@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

The real differentiator is pacing and editing.

[-] SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Especially in action scenes. I used to watch Hawaii five O the 2010 version and sometimes a chanal showed the old version with the same name, the are so incredibly different in pacing and the amount of violence. I really liked the old one in that regard, much less shooting and blood.

[-] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago

I sometimes watch old movies and it gets infuriating how long they talk around the same fact that everyone already agrees on. Yes, he was killed with a knife because it's still stuck in his head, now move on!

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[-] Pixel@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 11 months ago

It's not so back and white anymore, is it

[-] PhiAU@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Re-watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer with my kids in new hi-def, and you can clearly and easily see the stunt doubles now, and the SFX look really dated now that you can see them clearly.

It's amazing what old CRTs would let you get away with.

[-] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

It's not so much what they got away with but working with the tools they had. It is the same for pixel art in the early gen consoles.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lotta old shows are re-formated just to have the wider screen, since they would still film at higher res for movies or just because. It's not just an indication of age if something is still only in 4:3, it's an indication of thrift or just a general lack of giving a shit about the future.

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[-] Mr_nutter_butter@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Also the quality of the show go watch old Thomas the Tank Engine and compare it to the new one

[-] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

Can always tell when a show is 4:3 aspect. Recently I've noticed some modern TV shows adopting the theater aspects of flat (1.85:1) or scope (2.4:1) which I think is pretty cool. The last episode of Strange New Worlds I watched was in scope, that's some high end filming.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 11 months ago

I identified them by awkward haircuts and clothing styles. I knew something was off / wrong, but it wasn't until adulthood that I was able to piece it together.

[-] PenguinJuice@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

I have a relative who says their children won't watch 2D animated features because they are old

[-] Hypersapien@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

They still make 2D cartoons

[-] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

I think the distinction might be film versus series. Most movies are that bubbly CGI look but the streaming shows are mostly still 2D.

[-] perviouslyiner@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Asteroid City switched between aspect ratios as well as switching between black&white as they swapped between the TV story and the 'real'/cinema story.

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