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Palestinian girl filming Israeli soldiers gets shot at in the West Bank (streamable.com)
submitted 1 year ago by Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org to c/news@beehaw.org
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So let me refer to my "stop using antisemitic words" chart...

The ~~Little Girl~~ "Hamas Militant" was ~~Filming~~ "Threatening with a deadly weapon" Israeli soldiers from the safety of her own ~~Home~~ "Hamas Base".

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[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 59 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm kinda in a political vacuum and, being Jewish, am kinda shielded from being called antisemitic, but are people for realsies being called antisemitic for saying statements like "a little girl was filming from her house when the IDF shot her," or is it more hyperbolic than literal? I mean, I've known some assholes from the Jewish community who would probably pull that shit to get out of an argument, but does anyone actually listen to them? I mean, I'm not gonna take hygiene tips from someone covered in dog shit...

Either way, selfishly, I just want my family in Israel to be safe; idealistically, the Israeli state should have been checked before it had even gotten to this point. You can't destroy people's lives and homes and then think they're gonna roll over when you corner them.

I hope against all logic that there's a quick and less lethal end to all this. After that, it'd sure be fucking great to see some repercussions for war crimes and crimes against humanity for once. I can't even imagine what the poor Palestinian survivors of this are gonna be like when it's all over. How can you ever go back to any reasonable form of daily living?

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a joke about how everything is a hamas base in the eyes of the IDF army, and the answer from the Israeli government to any criticism calling it anti semitism.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Thank you for that answer! Fuck the terrorists in government on both sides destroying all the beautiful people between them. Also, I've met some non-beautiful people in both countries. So fuck them too, but small-scale.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes people really do for realises pull out the antisemitism remarks when it comes to criticism of Israel.

Honestly wouldn’t put it past being official policy for Israeli astroturfing/propaganda a la JIDF shenanigans.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I was gonna tell you to be careful with that JIDF stuff cuz conspiracies lead to blah blah blah and then did a quick look on ecosia. Jesus Christ my people suck sometimes...

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, it's a shame, but tbf Israelis really freaked out after Oct 7 and now see threats everywhere.

There was a strong supporting reaction at first, but then the Israelis started saying some dark things and some people are starting to feel an awkward vibe.

Hamas needs to be rooted out, it's just a lot of Israelis seem to see all gazans as hamas now, which is problematic, and lash out with "antisemitism!" When people try to deescalate.

[–] salarua@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it’s just a lot of Israelis seem to see all gazans as hamas now, which is ~~problematic~~ genocidal

fixed it for you

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think I get what you were going for with that correction. Wanna know their government's secret though, Cap? They're always ~~angry~~ genocidal.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah, October 7th was pretty fucked up, but it's not like Israelis aren't under constant threat. What sucks is that kind of fear leads to suspicion and a strange flavor of xenophobia I've never really seen from other countries...

But I can tell you that, in a way, Israelis didn't necessarily see Gazans as Hamas before, but they sure as fuck saw them as an other and a threat. I swear, the things I heard from even my most liberal Israeli family members was shocking. "They just breed like rabbits," "they want to be in power so they can oppress us," "they can't hold their own elections because they'll just vote for terrorists." And then the most religious citizens of their country live part of the year in NYC, have so many kids that they forget to vaccinate them, and vote for Trump and Netanyahu in two separate elections.

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The IDF will likely try to claim that they thought she was a sniper, but if that were true they wouldn't be standing around in the middle of the street before they shot.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

You can read the words of the event, but like you said watching their behavior says everything. It's like US police claiming they feared for their life. They casually stand there, like any other day at work, and attempt to murder a young girl, and probably joked about it after.

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The shot sounded very quiet it cannot be a rifle shot. Is it a traumatic weapon? I did not know that those are used.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

That sounded like 5.56, which sounds more like a pop than 7.62 (brat) or .303 (boong).

[–] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, it was actually an airsoft gun, OK? Why would they shoot at her?

[–] probablyaCat@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Someone peaking out a door at soldiers with a small black object? Well I dunno. Why would soldiers ever shoot in such a situation...

[–] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LOL, OK, let's say that a camera could be mistaken for a gun/rifle/nuke. Would the same apply to a phone? Because I cannot read something placed 10 meters away from me, and I still would distinguish a phone from a weapon.

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

You do not know what solder saw. But I am still insisting this can not be rifle shot. If anyone ever was near shooting rifle, they would know it is much louder.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Microphones don't pick up impulse sound levels properly, and speakers certainly cannot reproduce them. You cannot accurately judge gunshot noise levels from recordings.

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have seen enough shooting videos to say that this is not true. The sound even using phone should be much louder. Not as lows as in real life, but loud and echo should be heard for quite some time.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can tell from the audio pixels, and from hearing many 'shops in your time?

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Read the first sentence of the post you are replying to. Familiarize yourself with idea that YouTube has lots of videos with weapons shots.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You will not understand my criticism until you understand the term "clipping".

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know what lipping is, this is not it.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago

You may know, but you do not comprehend.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago

"I know nothing about Thing In Video but I will choose to vehemently insist this can't be Thing It Obviously Is, also it's fine they shot at a civilian with no regard for rules of engagement anyway."

Bruh

[–] Seathru@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Suppressors do exist. And are commonly used in close quarters combat. Especially by well funded combatants like the IDF.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

To back that up I've seen a few videos of IDF shooting with suppressors, on videos it can sound like a click, from the sound of this video though I'm not sure it's even suppressed.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago

I shoot rifles all the time. This was absolutely a rifle.

[–] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Dude, if I ever saw someone slowly tearing you from limb to limb I wouldn't even move my toes. I may even start making justifications for them.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You are clearly here solely to defend the IDF, this is a wasted effort in this space. Why do you want to put so much effort into excusing a murderous apartheid state?

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Assuming too much?