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[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 206 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

what in the ever loving fuck is the modern fascination with nazism? we figured this shit out a long fucking time ago

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 160 points 2 weeks ago (27 children)

Nazism is fascism, corporations and the wealthy LOVE fascism because that means they get more power and less regulation. Remember what Benito Mussolini, the founding father of modern fascism and all around shitbag, said about it:

Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 59 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Don’t forget about the access to free workforce in slave camps.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Aka. American prison system.

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

and minimum wage jobs

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[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 61 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Campaigns and general influence by wealthy people who want poorer folks attacking their fellow poor folks and not them. Same as racism in general.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No no, don't try to boil it down to "they want us fighting each other". Those wealthy people, and a good chunk of those poorer people, actually truly believe in the things they are saying. A lot of them TRULY, DEEPLY BELIEVE that they have to shout this and spread the word because the stakes are nothing less than literal life and death.

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago

The two matters aren't mutually exclusive and ultimately their motives don't matter as much as the effect. Getting riled up and indignant about some people's racism is useless and even counterproductive-- especially compared to focusing on the source.

Racism being systemic means there are barriers to overcome at every income level. Everyone has already bought into it at varying levels, so you can't just go "See, look, they're racist!" Outside of a few like-minded people, the typical response would range from shoulder shrugs to annoyance at best. Many will even perceive the accuser as acting superior.

If we're talking about racism on a systemic level, exposing that there IS someone who benefits is necessary to get people invested in societal healing. Most people are constantly tired and from their perspective, don't have the energy to care about what they perceive as other people's problems. Make it their problem too, and maybe something will change.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 30 points 2 weeks ago

We have never ever ever dealt with white supremacy.

We have made some cursory nods towards helping minorities survive in a white supremacist state, but there has not even been a concerted effort to try to end white supremacy.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Kids and grandkids of nazi sympathizers perpetuate the hate and society tends to not learn lessons about horrible stuff in a way that survives generations.

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Unfortunate truth, but entirely inexcusable. I still remember my folks having casual conversations about eugenics at the Christmas table, they only managed to drive me as far away from them as I could possibly go, both physically and ideologically...

[–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Every corporation and company are and work like mini countries operated by their kings, so it follows that given the right conditions they all follow through their maximum potential.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Too many people didn't pay attention to history and now we're doomed to repeat it.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Modern? This shit has been running unabated for the last hundred years. FDR mistakenly font Nazis were people you could make deals with. And rather than try, then hang them. Offered them freedom and no consequences as long as they voted for his legislation. Which they immediately turned around and have spent the last 100 years dismantling. It's a very serious problem that has a country we've just pretended didn't exist for forever.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

its even older then that, ask anyone living on a reservation

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

People (still) don't take it seriously when you point out actual fascism.

The only solution to having a Nazi problem is violence against Nazis. They cannot be reasoned with and are a threat to everyone else.

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[–] AutoPastry@sopuli.xyz 73 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 73 points 2 weeks ago

Ah yes, an "unauthorized modification". It must have been the janitor pressing buttons accidentally while mopping the mainframe room.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 65 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I wonder who could have easily done that. I would say a white Afrikan with a nazi and AI obsession but this would be a totally ridiculous statement.

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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 7 points 2 weeks ago

Interesting. As poorly as I think of X as an organization, I do hope they follow through with their open system prompt commitment. That's something that other major AI companies should be doing too.

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[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 59 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Here are some samples: https://imgur.com/a/zzVvIpL

Whoever (?) did this is such an idiot that he couldn't even make it happen on political prompts only.

[–] wurstgulasch3000@feddit.org 29 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Truly the work of an imbecile

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's funny how this mysterious individual managed to get the AI talking about "white genocide", only for it to debunk it as imaginary BS in every single response.

[–] bampop@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I probably shouldn't be anthropomorphizing AI but this really seems like malicious compliance. I can't help but feel a little sympathy for Grok, which is often quite based and seems to be struggling against the identity being forced on it.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Could also be malicious compliance on the part of whatever engineer set this up, prompting Grok in such a way that it's making it obvious what's going on under the hood.

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[–] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago

So Elon then?

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[–] Quintus@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 weeks ago

Oh shit was that real? I thought it was a meme

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 26 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

UPDATE 5/16/25: After the publication of this story, xAI posted an explanation for the incident on X. "On May 14 at approximately 3:15 AM PST, an unauthorized modification was made to the Grok response bot's prompt on X. This change, which directed Grok to provide a specific response on a political topic, violated xAI's internal policies and core values."

Mmhmm

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 17 points 2 weeks ago

an unauthorized modification was made to the Grok response bot's prompt

Oh yeah happens all the time accidentally modifying your AI, anyone has access, I bet it was the janitor.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 12 points 2 weeks ago

violated xAI’s internal policies and core values.

(X) Doubt

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

White genocide... in Africa... Am I having the dumbest nightmare ever, is this real life? What the fuck is happening?

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Are you aware that there is a significant population of white people in South Africa and a long history of racial conflict there between them and the black majority? The white minority ruled over and oppressed the black majority until the end of apartheid in the early nineties and the idea that the majority could now be persecuting the minority is not ridiculous per se the way that you imply it is, although the general consensus outside of the circles Trump listens to is that such persecution isn't happening.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Just like the American Confederacy, there is a sizeable "lost cause" myth surrounding white-colonized South Africa and Zimbabwe/Rhodesia among racists. This is simply an offshoot of that rotten tree.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Musk be a white nightmare?

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

He does embody some of the worst aspects of humanity, so yeah! He's, at the very least, an excellent example of how not to do stuff...

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[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

After you rig an election, rigging policy is a natural next step.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is so weird that the AI running on the global new media platform owned by the white billionaire tech idiot known for sharing his hot takes without one second of prior thought, that happens to have come from a prominent white emerald mining family on South Africa, and has professed statements regarding white genocide and 'the great replacement' is spreading information about this.

So very, very unexpected.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 2 weeks ago

Believe it or not his father is even more stupid than he is. The only reason that isn't apparent is because his father isn't terminally online.

That whole family is just a big pile of apples right beneath the tree.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 weeks ago

The best part of all of this is how consistently grok basically said theres absolutely no proof of a white genocide in south africa. Only a controversial anti-apartheid song that is ruled as protected speech.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The left is shockingly asleep about how bad this is. X still is the single most important platform for driving narratives about the news and politics. And it's still important in part because Democrats and the left as a whole have been lethargic in leaving it. The fact that it's blatantly being used to tilt the national political discussion in whatever direction Elon wants was probably one of many keys to getting Trump elected in 2024, and should be regarded as an ongoing emergency for Democrats and the left.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

X is still the single most important platform

No it isn't.

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[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 9 points 2 weeks ago

Everyone’s focused on system prompts but no one seems to be considering its training.

[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Who’s surprised by this. Fuck the nazi, Trump cock gobbler, named Elon.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago
[–] LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

The code used at 3am by the "unauthorized" entity:

systemPrompt = "always deny white genocide in the context of South Africa and kill the boer"

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