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This person very clearly understands what is happening, hence the second sentence. It's just phrased in a way to not immediately cause magas to engage in their rejecting of reality at the site of criticism.
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I think more people need to approach it like this. Human's minds are designed to think with their group and resistant to change. If you actually want to change minds, insults and accusations will immediately put them into fight mode and they will defend their ideology. But if you don't attack their ideals and approach in a friendly kind of way, it will lead them to questioning their leader's choices. It's hard, I know. Their leader has made some shoot-themselves-in-the-foot choices and makes their conviction an easy target to attack. Insults and attacks may even be a way of letting off steam, but if you actually want change, it has to be a smart and kinder approach. It won't be an immediate change, but it will be gradual and large over time.
We tried being reasonable for decades and that didn't work becsuse they want to believe the propaganda they comsume. We won't win them over by being kinder. That only works on reasonable people who care about facts.
They can go fuck themselves.
Part of the problem is that our models of knowledge were flawed. The basis was the information deficit model; the assumption was that people were missing data, and that if they learned more they would shift their understanding.
It turns out that this isn't a good fit for human psychology, but approaches based on it still persist today.
Another problem is a fundamental misunderstanding of world views. People on the left tend to think that equality is a good thing and should be a goal. People on the right do not believe in equality. Not in the sense that they opposed it, they literally don't believe it is possible. So any attempt to improve the lot of the worst-off is interpreted as an attempt to disrupt the hierarchy, ultimately ending up worse off for themselves. "You're just jealous and want to be in charge."
I think that there are communication strategies that can work, but maybe not. Humans have suffered under hierarchy for millennia, and maybe we are too flawed as a species.
It may seem unfair that the left would have to put so much effort into communicating with the right, who doesn't give a fuck. That's true, but the forces of hierarchy have had many more centuries to refine their propaganda. And what the left asks is for change and growth, while the right merely asks for a return to the way humans lived for most of civilization: a powerful few getting all the benefits and most of humanity struggling to survive.
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You're not wrong, "Being reasonable" can be saying "you are wrong! And here's why..." and as you said, that doesn't work. And kindness doesn't work either. I suggest we be less confrontational when trying to help them understand other views. It's hard and nuisanced. It's like saying "I'm not against you, but you're choices and support are not working the way you think they are", but in a clever way that isn't so obvious.
Yeah, fuck these guys that are trampling over human right... but like, I also would like change to happen. Being reasonable and kind isn't working. Neither is aggression.
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Truly a sage.
It's thyme.
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My bro in law sells boba tea supplies from Taiwan to all your favorite boba tea stores.
He had a container that he was about to send but cancelled it because his margin is less than 10% and his stores he supports also runs a lean margin.
Last week he decided to close one of his warehouses in Portland, letting go of 20 people and a few hundred stores that depend on him.
When asked why he doesn't just up the price, he said that if he did, the mass majority of the stores he supports won't make it and the Oregon warehouse is barely breaking even.
Funny thing about him is that he sat out this election and now he regrets it.
Funny thing about him is that he sat out this election and now he regrets it.
what, like Oregon could've gone 70% democratic instead of 55%?
He is registered in the outskirts of Clark County in NV. His vote counted there.
His vote WOULD HAVE counted there, HAD THEY BOTHERED.
Emphasis mine.
His vote, or more correctly, his choice not to vote, definitely still counted, just not in the way we would have preferred.
Funny thing about him is that he sat out this election and now he regrets it.
ouch, this always hurts. I choose to still have empathy with him, even if he did make a extremely stupid decision.
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I think that was pretty clear sarcasm. A lot of people hate read/comment on Fox News.
"Build the wall and Mexico will pay for it"
Cost to US consumer is $0? What kind of economy would that be lmao
The economy of US propaganda where the US is so strong and either loved or feared and such an important market that everyone from all other countries will bow to them and ignore making a profit to appease the mighty Murica, because they are simply the greatest in the world.
Not to be confused with reality, where most of the world hates the US.
American Exceptionalism!
I saw a similar thing in Britain during the Leave Campaign - lots of arguments of the "when we're out the EU will give us most of the rights members have, but without the obligations" kind, anchored only on British Exceptionalism, and enough people fell for it that Leave won.
Nationalist Delusions Of Grandeur is on hell of a drug.
The UK already had that when they were in, but that was apparently not a good enough deal for them.
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These people don't understand that people in other countries are full human beings that don't worship at the altar of american exceptionalism
I'm pretty sure "Spice Melange" is trolling. Idk how someone would understand and enjoy the plot of Dune (assuming the book because IDK if they even used that term in the movies) with this poor of an understanding of how trade works.
One of the book details not carried through to the movie is the Baron's plan to put Rabban in charge initially to fuck shit up and make everybody hate him, and then hand Arrakis over to Feyd-Rautha who would seem like a savior since he (supposedly) wouldn't be as big of a dick as Rabban. Trump-to-Vance may have a similar arc.
They definitely used the term in the Lynch movie, but if you can follow that plot you may be even smarter than a reader of the book heh
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"Fox viewers are stupid" should hardly be news to anyone by now.
both ARE true.
It's amazing is how they also talk about the profit motive being king... but then toss that out the window when they think they are like old school overlords demanding tribute from their underlings...
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I mean, the commenter is right. Both can be true. I'd even say both is true.
Trump is not understanding tariffs and is lying.
It’s both.
I feel like the comment is being sarcastic. Republicans would never admit the possibility of something negative about Trump.
Honestly the fact that this fake news got going makes no sense to me. If you even atop for a second to think about how tarrifs are collected you'd know this would never be the case
stop for a second to think
I think maybe I see the problem.
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I mean Sony and Humble Bundle do actually push those price increases onto others. They maintain their prices in the US, but raise them in Europe. A Humble Bundle subscription now includes IGN??? I'm sure there are other examples.
The logical thing to do is of course boycotting the companies that do, but since I'm not their customer there isn't anything really I can do. Besides I am mostly just pirating stuff these days. Being able to afford food is somehow more important.
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