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[–] RQG@lemmy.world 159 points 10 months ago (6 children)

As an outsider it seems absolutely weird that the US as a country seems to have accepted people getting shot by other regular people daily as normal.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 49 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oprah Winfrey once said, everybody gets a gun, you get a gun, you get a gun, we all get a gun.

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[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 34 points 10 months ago

Actual regular people haven't accepted it as normal. Fascists in our country continue to hamstring any efforts to fix the situation because they want the rest of us to keep being reminded that the fascists can and will murder us at will. Standard issue stochastic terrorism.

[–] sadie_sorceress@sh.itjust.works 25 points 10 months ago (21 children)

My kids' school recently had an active shooter drill like we used to do fire drills when I was a kid. They said they all had hiding spots to go to and they thought it was pretty scary. They're in elementary school. It's definitely not normal that instead of doing something about the guns we have to teach kids to hide from gunmen because that's just a legit possibility now.

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[–] gizmonicus@sh.itjust.works 20 points 10 months ago

As an American, I think the moment I said "which one" when asked if I had heard about the mass shooting in wherever it was I can't even remember now, that was when I realized how fucked our gun policies are.

[–] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 17 points 10 months ago (4 children)

What else is there to do but accept it? It isn't like our politicians have the will to do anything about it. Peaceful protest falls on deaf ears. The gun crazies would gladly die in a blaze of glory rather than be disarmed. The country is awash in guns and ammunition. So please do tell, oh wise outsider, what the hell a normal person is supposed to do about it?

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[–] Jollyllama@lemmy.world 98 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The guys was committed for two weeks and had threatened to shoot up a national guard base. They had the information to act on and take away his guns and they didn't because they didn't need to. This is even more fucked because it was probably avoidable.

[–] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There are no red flag laws in Maine. There was no legal way to take his guns even if they thought that was necessary. Also, the christofacist supreme court is set to strike down laws that prevent people convicted domestic violence from owning guns, which will chip away at the legality of red flag laws everywhere. Happy Thursday everyone!

[–] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

If he was a reservist, I'm pretty sure his commander could've ordered him to surrender his weapons.

And the bar under the UCMJ to do deal with a suicidal/homicidal troop is way lower than what it is for a civilian.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Almost all mass shootings were avoidable if that government really cared about solving this problem

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[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 91 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This thing doesn't go past 0 very often

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

Every iteration of gun control, with few exceptions, carves out exceptions for LEOs and Military. If you want this to stop a good start would be making these guys have to follow the laws the rest of us do, because if you campaign for more of the same from your lawmakers, I guarantee there will still be exceptions for the people who protect the rich.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 36 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Exceptions for active military can work because they are subject to the far more strict ucmj. Cops are a real problem though, they kill 1000 or so people every year with minimal consequence.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

1200 last year, that we know of. Cops self report their crimes. There is no law that requires them to report if they have committed a murder.

https://policeviolencereport.org/

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 19 points 10 months ago (5 children)

What's unsurprising is how strictly gun control is implemented on US military bases and navy ships.

If you live in barracks on-base and own a personal gun, if often has to be stored in the base's firearm storage. The only people who can walk around armed are MPs or people on their way to/from authorized training. Even if you have a concealed carry permit for the state the base is in, you can't conceal carry in the base. If you're on your way to the base's firing range and stop to get gas at the base's gas station, you can't leave your gun in your car while you go into the convenience store at the gas station unless your car is locked in your trunk. Often even a paintball gun has to be stored in the base armory.

Keep in mind these aren't rules for random civilians. These are the rules for people who have already had to pass extensive firearms training courses.

It's pretty insane that random untrained civilians have far fewer restrictions on guns than members of the military on a military base.

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[–] Fraylor@lemm.ee 71 points 10 months ago (16 children)

Fuck Reagan. He created this shithole of a situation and ruined this country. I'm happy he died of Alzheimers and simply pray he was terrified and miserable in the last moments of his life.

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[–] snowraven@sh.itjust.works 33 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Is it me or the headline is worded strangely?

[–] TheFlopster@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I think it might be the word "named" instead of "identified." That and the two "as" ~~appositive phrases~~ prepositional phrases in a row.

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[–] drolex@sopuli.xyz 25 points 10 months ago

It's only weird when you don't know anybody called "US army reservist" but it's a fairly common name around here

-US Coast Guard war criminal

[–] tilcica@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

yeah its very weird

"as the death toll reaches 22 people, the suspect was found out to be a US army reservist"

[–] Jilanico@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

They probably want to front load the headline with the most salient development, namely the identity of the shooter.

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[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 26 points 10 months ago

Excerpt from the US version of the Prayer of the Lord: "... and give us today our daily ~~bread~~ mass shooting ..."

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Hmmm, so all of those "well regulated militia means the national guard, the only people who should have guns are the cops and the national guard because they're the only ones responsible enough" people are going to finally admit that cops and weekend warriors aren't actually all that special and the training they recieve doesn't make them good people it only makes them more effective should they decide to be bad people?

[–] charles@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (13 children)

People who say that actually want a complete and total ban on guns, but acknowledge the constitution says what it says and amendments are literally impossible in today's political climate.

Also, one could argue a "well regulated" militia wouldn't send guns home with its members. It could be kept at a central facility.

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[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Maybe you should differ between those people in active service and ex-soldiers with PTSD and mental issues that makes them hear voices...

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Maybe they should differ. I think that anyone who hasn't proven themselves a danger to others should be able to own one, even people with PTSD which shouldn't be stigmatized simply because some people with it do violent things. Most people with PTSD do not.

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[–] Surp@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My Aunt and Uncle live there. I heard the news at around 11pm. Called her up to make sure they were ok. They are scared in there home with doors locked.

[–] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 10 months ago

Yeah I mean its Maine , its not that common those things happened over there. Thanks god your family is okay!

[–] nyoooom@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

But "facts don't care about your feelings" or something like that...

[–] Jeff@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

This timeline is a bad one. We need father time to make the old in power fade away so we can attempt to fix what the worst generation has broken.

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