Scholz says that Germany needs to expand deportations of rejected asylum-seekers : europe

[+] ProcurementCat@feddit.de 49 points 8 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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[-] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 8 months ago

We need a proper leftist party we can vote instead.

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 8 months ago

Its a shame all we have is die Linke and whatever Sarah Wagenknecht is cooking up.

[-] zakobjoa@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Ugh, Wagenknecht is closer to the AfD than true leftist values.

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago

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[-] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 8 months ago

Well, I used to like some of their (die Linke) contributions. But lately, I don't consider them a viable party to vote for. I don't have a well founded opinion on Sarah Wagenknecht. But now that like 20 people vote for the Linke, I don't consider it an issue if someone takes away a few of their voters. They're kind of meaningless anyways.

Sometimes I look at the USA and wonder if that's our destiny. A government without participation of social democrats and the parties who have that in their name being more incompetent than anything of value to the citizens...

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago

I hope that's not what's to come. I think because our parlimentary system allows for multiple parties (i.e. > 2) we have the advantage that a true social democrat party always has the chance to rise and achieve a ruling coalition. It isn't perfect, but I think it's a better system.

But regarding die Linke, I dont think they were ever a viable party to vote for. They've supported actual terrorists and Wagenknecht is Sarah Palin level crazy.

[-] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 8 months ago

Yeah, I was more referring to them doing the opposition and occasionally speaking up for the citizen in things like child care, taxes and how to treat the people who are not well off. Sometimes surveillance and stuff. I guess I like someone doing that. But you're right, they always had that mixed with some strange ideas.

[-] geissi@feddit.de 2 points 8 months ago

Well, if Wagenknecht manages to take all the un-electable baggage with her, maybe die Linke could actually become a party one could vote for.

[-] hh93@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

I absolutely hate how some attention craving idiots completely destroyed the pirate party from within.

A liberal party that's not neoliberal centrist like the lobby party we have but instead with a left leaning social part and a very open minded and modern world view would be so perfect...

[-] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago

Guess we wish for something similar.

Idk. The 'new'er parties like the Pirate Party or Volt didn't really take off. Seems like only the right manages to pull it off.

[-] hh93@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

Because everyone on the left is too scared to vote for smaller parties and lose their vote if they don't make it.

More radical parties always have it easier to convince people to vote for them despite that.

I really wish we had ranked choice voting here...

[-] RedPandaRaider@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago

There is still the communist party, but it's tiny and likely never going to get into parliament.

[-] trollercoaster@feddit.de 11 points 8 months ago

The SPD hasn't been leftist since Schröder, anyone still voting for them over believing they are has missed way more than one train.

[-] RedPandaRaider@feddit.de 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They haven't been leftist since they helped the nazis to power almost 100 years ago by now.

[-] trollercoaster@feddit.de 4 points 8 months ago

You could argue that, too. But they have been much further left than they are now between the end of WW2 and Schröder.

[-] geissi@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago

There still is a left wing in the party, I would vote for Kühnert if I could.
But yes, mostly the party is run by conservatives.

[-] trollercoaster@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago

That "left" wing is barely relevant and only very moderately left. What counts is who is running the party, and that have been conservatives and neoliberals since Schröder.

[-] letmesleep@feddit.de -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

A leftist party can’t win over conservatives voters by imitating conservatives, but it sure can loose leftist voters by that.

Yes, it can.

I'm not sure I'd call the Social Democrats in either country country "leftist" (they're center-left and the "center" portion is more relevant), but it's fairly likely that the Scholz' party copying the Danish route would work. The issue is that the SPD's approach is that it was half-hearted. If you want to win over xenophobes you have to mean it. For now the assumption with voters is that Scholz and the other SPD people are all bark and no bite.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 45 points 8 months ago

I fully support Scholz on enforcing the law. For example CumEx is a wondefull case, where all the bankers and their helpers should be locked up for defrauding German taxpayers.

However that might be a bad move for him.

[-] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 38 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Olaf Scholz is a criminal who tried to help fraudulent bankers to get away with a 150.000.000 Euro scam. When questioned he claimed he conveniently could not remember. It is Scholz who should be deported - to prison!

[-] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Don't forget he instituted torture methods as minister of the interior for Hamburg. Shortly before an election, trying to win by occupoying ~~there~~ their points. That failed of course.
Similarities to the current tactics by him are of course purely coincidental.

[-] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

True, Brechmitteleinsatz shall never been forgotten. They even tortured a person to death with it. He was called Achidi John.

He violently resisted the insertion of a feeding tube to introduce the emetic ipecacuanha, whereupon he was restrained. John was then "force-fed the drug through a tube in his nose."[4][5] "An emergency anesthesiologist was not called to assist."[3] He then "fell to the floor,"[3] "facial color had changed, breathing and pulse had stopped."[3] The physician initially assumed he was faking. When a medical student noticed the missing pulse, emergency responders were called. After thirteen minutes, two emergency medical teams arrived and resuscitated John.[6][7] John died after a three-day coma on December 12, 2001

Translated with www.DeepL.com, source Wikipedia

[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 21 points 8 months ago

This is just Scholz pandering to the right because he has absolutely no policies of his own and wants to get re-elected.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Fuck you Scholz. It sucks but is expected of SPD. What sucks even more is even the greens push this inhuman agenda here now.

Never forget that Brechmittel Scholz had police torture people with emetics when he was a major.

[-] trollercoaster@feddit.de 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Someone needs to create a Gustav Noske Medal for Social Democrat Realpolitik and award it to Scholz. He deserves such an award.

Edit: Look up Gustav Noske to spot the sarcasm here

[-] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Wer hat uns verraten?

[-] trollercoaster@feddit.de 3 points 8 months ago

Careful with that quote, or the enlightened centrists will come crawling out of their holes and claim it's far right dog whistle...

[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

As right wing as Marc Uwe Kling is… (he wrote some very successful books about a communist Kangaroo)

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[-] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 2 points 8 months ago

Of course, the centrist crying are still there. There were even some SPD people crying that it was a Nazi line.

[-] zakobjoa@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

We should deport half of the SPD.

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Interesting. The balance of opinion in this thread is mostly one-sided but in the opposite direction to the R-site.

[+] 3TH4Li4@feddit.ch -9 points 8 months ago

I like people who are doing counter arguments and deploying whataboutism, that or they don't even live in Germany. You would be quick to change your mind or consider otherwise too if you would be stared down, spat on, and knifed down the street too. It is what it is, Islamic people quite often don't integrate well into the west. I had my fair share of struggles with non European immigrants as well.

[-] brainrein@feddit.de 7 points 8 months ago

Ah, you poor thing, what happened to you? Seems I am unbelievably lucky living in Neukölln without having any bad experience with migrants in more than 20 years. I am 64 years old, blonde, and descendant of a German farming family, i.e. I couldn't be whiter. Maybe your experiences relate to your racism.

[-] Duxon@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago

Perhaps they are Jewish and that's why their experiences differ from yours?

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