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Title. It occurred to me that despite not wanting to support musk or some other American businesses because of their recent change in policies, I'm still holding a stake in those companies.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

I'm fine with that, if Tesla keeps sinking the S&P will have to drop it from the index.

[–] nomoesyankho@lemmy.wtf 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

That's the thing with americans and capitalist in general. You can't claim moral highground when your savings are tied to how much fighter jet lockheed martin is selling this year. You're just an asshole

[–] canihasaccount@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

You can buy a share or two of TSLQ to hedge against TSLA while still holding your index funds

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 56 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, that is how index funds work. Tesla is apart of the index so you indirectly own shares in every S&P500.

You also have indirect shares in a host of other dodgy companies like Google, Meta, Amazon, Coco Cola, McDonalds, Pepsi, Disney

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_S%26P_500_companies

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

A longer way of saying what OP said.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, that's is how addendums work. They elaborate on what has been said to repeat what was said in a more complete manner, sometimes with examples.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 1 minute ago

Basically just defining addendums here

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago

For now....

[–] radix@lemmy.world 37 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

If it makes you feel better, you probably also hold a stake in their direct competition.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 23 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Didn't know that you could own stock in antifa and Luigi Mangione

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Well to buy Luigicoin, its really simple: You go to a 50501 Protest, you give in your community, you join a community network, and you try to reduce your business with Amazon and other companies helping Trump.

[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure there will be a Luigi coin any day now dont worry

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 15 hours ago

There’s been once since last year

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 21 hours ago

Most people have money in the SP500 through their 401(k), sadly.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 12 points 20 hours ago

one of the reasons isn't tanking faster, comes bundled up in many institutional accounts, retirement accounts, etc

[–] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago

If you'd like to hold a large cap blend that doesn't include Tesla, you might like VTV (Vanguard Large Cap Value ETF). I didn't see Tesla listed in it and I really doubt it's any of the 339 companies it holds.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 11 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Sometimes you have to play the game even if you don't like it.

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Shorts over the last month would have been profitable

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

"You gotta do what you gotta do", says the person tipping his hangman.

"I knew I could vote for the mice, but the cat had the cheese", says the mouse.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I’m too tired to manually index the s&p 499.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 2 points 7 hours ago

Or look for alternative index funds, apparently.

[–] Brodysseus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 20 hours ago

I dont think I have to but its surely to my benefit. Classic case of greed vs values

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

And also in the oil giants, which are far worse for the world than Tesla.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I’m going to have to disagree with you there. I might have agreed with you during the last American presidency, but at this point Tesla is a catalyst for fascism.

[–] ethman42@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Why is the car company the catalyst? I’m seriously asking, not trolling. Is the boring company and space x also?

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

It’s a major supporter for Musk, allowing him to fund things via loans against stock. Not sure how much SpaceX pays Musk (I don’t think it’s a public company?)

I don’t know much about boring

[–] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

If this bothers you, you can short an amount equivalent to your index fund’s holding. But you’d have to track and maintain parity against the proportional allocation of the index fund as Tesla’s market cap changed and you invested more into the index.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 6 points 18 hours ago

I’m not sure that works. I was under the impression that shorts were fixed-term contracts and the index funds holdings are longs.

You can’t “borrow” somebody’s long and sell it and then just… not return it. You are also (IIRC) paying a premium to be able to borrow the stock to sell.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 19 hours ago

American is kind of a central point for the market. Sure there are plenty of non American exchanges but if you want to do business with the "big boys" it is in New York.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 6 points 20 hours ago

For now anyhow...

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago

One of the reasons I prefer something like the Russell 2000