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France will not accept "any demilitarization of the Ukrainian army," French Defense Minister Sebastien Lecornu said.

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"Demilitarization" and "denazification" were two insincere excuses that the Kremlin used to invade Ukraine in a war of territorial and ethnocidal aggression in February 2022.

The Ukrainian army is "the main guarantee" of Ukraine's security, Lecornu said in the opening remarks at the Paris Defence and Strategy Forum, which gathered over 30 army chiefs to discuss what Europe and the West can offer in support of Ukraine as part of a peace deal with Russia.

The French defense minister added that Europe is facing a "new period" in its history, significantly different from the Cold War and the period of "peace dividends" with several powers fighting for influence.

At the beginning of the full-scale invasion, Russia demanded that Ukraine reduce its army to 50,000 personnel. Moscow also sought to ensure that Kyiv "did not develop, produce, purchase, or deploy missile weapons of any kind with a range of over 250 kilometers (156 miles) on its territory."

Ukraine has repeatedly highlighted the need for security guarantees in the event of a ceasefire in the war with Russia.

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[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 27 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Every time that asshole uses the word demilitarisation we should send another Taurus to Ukraine

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 8 points 22 hours ago

"deze are de missiles, is for de military!"

[–] veroxii@aussie.zone 17 points 23 hours ago

Only if Russia does it first. Thought so.

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, we all saw what happened with the Budapest Memorandum. Any agreement to demilitarize is worth nothing for Ukraine, but a boon for Russia.

[–] cocolowlander@feddit.nl 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Russians will be back if they think they can win.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -4 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

That's more a consequence of Russian domestic propaganda than French bluster. If you showed a Russian the end result of the Ukraine War four years ago, they'd call you a liar and turn up the dial on TASS to drown you out.

At the same time, this war has been miserable for everyone. "We have to keep shooting until we can trust those evil orks, which we will never do!" isn't a strategy that will do anything but escalate the conflict. Which - hey, if you're the world's second largest weapons exporter staring down a recessionary global economy - might seem pretty good. But its not great for what's left of Ukraine or what's left of Russia or for anyone else in Eastern Europe, long term.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 22 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Here's a secret though: Russia can simply go home. Just say they'll withdraw to the pre-2014 borders and I will totally guarantee Ukraine will sign a peace agreement.

Ukraine isn't the one escalating, and they're not the one being unreasonable. Russia is.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 8 points 22 hours ago

Yeah, it's a shame Russia HAD to invade crimea and now further into Ukraine, if only they had another choice.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 22 hours ago

Moscow also sought to ensure that Kyiv "did not develop, produce, purchase, or deploy missile weapons of any kind with a range of over 250 kilometers (156 miles) on its territory."

Didn't Ukraine start developing and producing long range missiles because of this war ?

[–] Gloria@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago

As long a putin is still wasting prescious oxygen, urkaine can not even think about demilitarisation. That psychopath has shown again and again in action and words, that he thinks ukraine as a country, ethnicity or in its history should not exists - and should be eradicated. Will this stop with the last heartbeat of Putin? Maybe. But it will surely not stop before. Putin has to die for Ukraine to exist.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

Defending countries should NEVER be forced to demilitarize.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 5 points 22 hours ago

Denazification is still an amazing excuse for modern Nazis to use.