Just to make sure I got the right Arabic prince here, that's the guy who ordered Khashoggi's death, right?
I'm not above realpolitik, if his interests actually align with supporting Ukraine I'm happy to hear it.
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Just to make sure I got the right Arabic prince here, that's the guy who ordered Khashoggi's death, right?
I'm not above realpolitik, if his interests actually align with supporting Ukraine I'm happy to hear it.
Yea, and he's the reformist in that monarchy, pretty bleak π€«
I wouldn't rejoice too much... Here's MBS with putin 6 years ago.
That was when they were meeting to negotiate SA not continuing to fuck Russia's economy into the ground with a trade war on oil prices.
Which does imply they might be convinced to do it again.
Lets see Trump ask the Crown Prince if he even owns a suit....
Do not berate the stockholders.
I don't like MBS but if they help Ukraine, I'm all for it.
I donβt like politicians whose name is abbreviated like that anyway :/
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DAM, son
Where'd you find this?
Martin Butter Sing?
Mohammed Bone Saw
Microsoft BOB Simulator
JFC
John Fucker of Chickens
John Fitzgerald Christ
It's abbreviated because there's like 50 kebab dictators all named "Mohammed Bin Something" and it's annoying to spell out the whole name to disambiguate them
How many world leaders are named 'Bin Salman'? I'm pretty sure just one.
F MBS. POS
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Agree
So what does that mean?
βFuck mortgage-backed-security. Piece of shitβ?
edit am stoopid hes mohammed bin salman
The MBS was a bit cryptic. Thx for the explainer
Interesting. I thought he was with putin & trump. It would be nice if they help Ukraine though.
The Saudis are on their own side mainly and still aligned with the USA. Their rival in the region is Iran first and foremost. So Russia is not their friend.
What's their position on Isreal?
Give the Palestinians a state and we can be friends.
MBS wants to increase the diplomatic footprint of SA. It is likely they want to be the ones that facilitated a cease fire in Ukraine, rather than defend a democracy against imperialism.
At the very least, this is a wonderful photo op for MBS, regardless of outcome.
Russia fucks with OPEC pricing a lot so there isnβt a ton of love between them.
Honestly yeah that was my take too. I would be shaking like a shitting dog if I was Zelensky going to meet MBS. The stones on that guy.
Why is zelensky talking to scum like him? This fuck should never be accepted anywhere.
Fuck MBS. This is disappointing to see. (Unless i am missing something, i haven't been keeping track with news up to late)
Why is zelensky talking to scum like him?
Same reason he was sitting across from JD Vance and Trump to begin with. Any port in a storm.
Fuck MBS. This is disappointing to see.
Its a predictable response when you recognize that the Saudis are largely an extension of western hegemony in the region. I wouldn't be surprsied if someone like Rex Tillerson or Liz Cheney brokered the meeting.
The US turned heel on Ukraine and Zelensky needs support to beat the Nazis.
Thanks for the explanation. This is severely disappointing to see, but it's a necessary evil. :/
Wasnt their main role as a mediator for negotiations? I think yall are overreacting a bit.
From the mod linked AP article:
Zelenskyy met with the kingdomβs powerful crown prince Monday evening, with the president saying they βhad a detailed discussion on the steps and conditions needed to end the war and secure a reliable and lasting peace.β
βSaudi Arabia provides a crucial platform for diplomacy, and we appreciate this,β Zelenskyy said online.
Saudi Arabia is an important nation not only because of oil but also because of Mecca and Medinaβs importance to Islam.
I have no idea why you would think a nation shouldn't attempt to have congenial relations with another nation especially if that nation needs support from others.
MBS is a butcher, he should be shunned. This is a necessary evil, but is still disappointing.
The region is full of butchers. MBS just happens to be a close ally to the neoconservative CIA/State Department old guard. Of course he's going to be a touchpoint for a proxy war with their age old geopolitical enemy. Its the same reason Putin has reached out to Iran and North Korea.
Idealism has little place in foreign relations once you have to deal with the real world. We have to ally ourselves with people we find distasteful because our nations need to be tied for various reasons. It is childish to think your personal feelings about a national leader should impact your nationβs diplomatic relations.
As i said, this is a necessary evil. That does not change reality. MBS is a brutal dictator with an iron fist over the whole middle east, and he is a murderer. I think all countries should be moving away from saudi arabia, not closer to it.
Saudi Arabia is not exactly popular among Muslim people around the world. In particular with them embracing US influence, funding Daesh and other murderous groups and of course supporting Israel in its oppression and mass murder of Palestinians, MBS has a very bad reputation.
I can only assume Zelensky said 'thank you.'
Why is there a barcode scanner in the car door?