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French President Emmanuel Macron said it would be β€œmadness” to ignore the threat Russia has become for Europe and said he is open to discussing the extension of France's nuclear deterrence to Paris's European allies.

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[–] vesi@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

As it should. Federalise NOW! It is the only REAL option

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Nuclear umbrella is a good band name

[–] Daelsky@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 hours ago

The fact that us Canada are asking France and the UK for nuclear umbrella because of the US is a crazy time-line. Charles De Gaulle was right about the US and NATO.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

We have a word for this... NATO

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

France has what NATO doesnt: a preemptive defense nuclear option.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 3 hours ago

Preemptive defense is just a fancy way of saying first strike.

And if you're going to do a first strike against russia, you need a lot of capacity. A lot. You basically have to destroy nuclear assets in three hemispheres at the same time. Not including the oceans.

First strike is a great tool against asymmetric adversaries, but peer or near peer adversaries it's not an option

[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 16 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Viva la France!

But we cannot expect France to shoulder the entire burden. Other European nation should consider developing their own weapons as well.

[–] vesi@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago
[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world -2 points 5 hours ago

Just what the world really needed.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

France also has political groups opposed to this and with government options. We need a European nuclear button, not a national one with promises, nor 27 national buttons. One. European. Everything else will lead us to more war later.

[–] itsralC@lemm.ee 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

And who gets to press the european button...?

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago

well, the nuclear launch protocol varies between powers, but I suppose it would have to be the chief of the executive in some kind of according with a high military chief

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 50 points 14 hours ago

Seems good. I trust France more to work in the interest of Europe than I trust the US. Because a safer Europe is in the interest of France. The US can just move on, France is right here.

[–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 21 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Is this the start of Cold War 2.0 ?

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 31 points 14 hours ago

Looks like it never ended and we just were not paying attention.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn't mind a cold one tbh

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's only cold because, if slightly anything goes awry, humanity ceases to exist.

That was terrifying sixty years ago. Nowadays lots is going wrong and we're actively leaning into the destruction of our habitat.

Not placing any false equivalencies on the table here, MAD would be worse. It's just that we're used to the idea by now, too numb.

[–] Gudl@feddit.org 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.ee -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I like macron <3

He just cares deeply about the EU and europe.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 18 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Macron is a neoliberal d*** to his people, which is why there is so much unrest in France. He blocked a center-left majority coalition in favor of forcing a center-right coalition that since failed, after pulling the same snap-election stuff that got the Brexit in the UK.

Macron is the epitome of the rich exploiting the rest. It is just that he understands that EU is central to maintaining his rich friends assets.

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 2 points 2 hours ago

Thank you; I've felt like I've been hallucinating the past week with Lemmy doubling down on capitalism – but I'm our backyard – and seemingly neglecting that Europe had its own long, and currently ongoing, history of colonialism and exploration.

The reach for shoring up existing systems – but just, now, in European control – rather than establishing better ones has been massively disappointing.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Are you from France? Or just another "socialist" that spends all their time attacking world leaders that are opposed to fascism?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 1 points 2 hours ago

Macron is not opposed to fascism. If he was, he would have embraced the center-left coalition instead of forcing a center-right coalition which failed within a year, further strengthening the fascists in France.

Neoliberal Capitalists are always open to Fascism as long as it preserves their wealth.

[–] feanpoli@lemmy.ml -4 points 9 hours ago

Which of France's allies truly believes that, in the event of an imminent threat of conflict with a nuclear power, France would be willing to defend an ally? Given France's history of double standards and frequent shifts in stance, such a commitment seems highly questionable.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee -2 points 13 hours ago

Give it to Taiwan too.