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French President Emmanuel Macron said it would be β€œmadness” to ignore the threat Russia has become for Europe and said he is open to discussing the extension of France's nuclear deterrence to Paris's European allies.

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[–] Daelsky@lemmy.ca 3 points 49 minutes ago

The fact that us Canada are asking France and the UK for nuclear umbrella because of the US is a crazy time-line. Charles De Gaulle was right about the US and NATO.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

We have a word for this... NATO

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

France has what NATO doesnt: a preemptive defense nuclear option.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 hour ago

Preemptive defense is just a fancy way of saying first strike.

And if you're going to do a first strike against russia, you need a lot of capacity. A lot. You basically have to destroy nuclear assets in three hemispheres at the same time. Not including the oceans.

First strike is a great tool against asymmetric adversaries, but peer or near peer adversaries it's not an option

[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Viva la France!

But we cannot expect France to shoulder the entire burden. Other European nation should consider developing their own weapons as well.

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago

Just what the world really needed.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

France also has political groups opposed to this and with government options. We need a European nuclear button, not a national one with promises, nor 27 national buttons. One. European. Everything else will lead us to more war later.

[–] itsralC@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

And who gets to press the european button...?

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 3 points 3 hours ago

well, the nuclear launch protocol varies between powers, but I suppose it would have to be the chief of the executive in some kind of according with a high military chief

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 48 points 12 hours ago

Seems good. I trust France more to work in the interest of Europe than I trust the US. Because a safer Europe is in the interest of France. The US can just move on, France is right here.

[–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 18 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Is this the start of Cold War 2.0 ?

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 29 points 11 hours ago

Looks like it never ended and we just were not paying attention.

Wouldn't mind a cold one tbh

[–] Gudl@feddit.org 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.ee -1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I like macron <3

He just cares deeply about the EU and europe.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 15 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Macron is a neoliberal d*** to his people, which is why there is so much unrest in France. He blocked a center-left majority coalition in favor of forcing a center-right coalition that since failed, after pulling the same snap-election stuff that got the Brexit in the UK.

Macron is the epitome of the rich exploiting the rest. It is just that he understands that EU is central to maintaining his rich friends assets.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Are you from France? Or just another "socialist" that spends all their time attacking world leaders that are opposed to fascism?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 1 points 13 minutes ago

Macron is not opposed to fascism. If he was, he would have embraced the center-left coalition instead of forcing a center-right coalition which failed within a year, further strengthening the fascists in France.

Neoliberal Capitalists are always open to Fascism as long as it preserves their wealth.

[–] feanpoli@lemmy.ml -5 points 6 hours ago

Which of France's allies truly believes that, in the event of an imminent threat of conflict with a nuclear power, France would be willing to defend an ally? Given France's history of double standards and frequent shifts in stance, such a commitment seems highly questionable.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee -2 points 10 hours ago

Give it to Taiwan too.