Ngl, this whole fedi thing is really great.
this post was submitted on 19 Oct 2023
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Chuh, totally.
Is there somewhere I can read about how you would go about using peertube? I’m not sure I completely understand how it works.
Thanks!
If you're talking about from the creator side I did a bit of digging into the ins and outs when I joined a few weeks ago and did a writeup here, might have something of use in it https://lemm.ee/post/8545893
Excellent post, thank you. I’m just a viewer—is there any reason to join an instance? How do I find content that interests me?
Honestly I don't think there is a reason, there aren't many features for viewers on there and it's just another account to deal with. You can subscribe to accounts / channels from Lemmy or Mastodon or presumably whatever other Fedi service you're already on, and leave comments / upvotes from there.
The search function on a given PT instance is only going to return results it's federated with so I think the only way to get a "global" search and find things across all the instances at once is https://search.joinpeertube.org
In my eyes, Piped and such are the ideal solution, not peertube. Not, because peertube is bad, but because with using Piped, you can have your videos and you can have them on a FOSS surface, but leave the nasty tasks like paying for enough storage to host all those videos to the data guzzlers who get denied their return. Some real Robin hood shit right there.
Unless you're also throwing money at YouTube premium (etc), isn't this by definition unsustainable to do? So it's not really a viable long-term strategy either.
Like don't get me wrong, I don't want all the tracking and stuff either, but somebody has to pay those server bills. If it's not happening through straight cash then it's going to be through increasingly aggressive monetization and cost-cutting strategies.
Oh, Reality-Norgur is well aware of that. Yet, I decided to let fantasy-Norgur take over for a bit ;)
I'm often in conflict about ads. On one hand they are an absolute blight on society, being harmful at best and a nuisance at worst. On the other hand, what the fuck is going to pay for all this shit? We should just nationalize YouTube.
Cities should be doing it, really. Along with municipal broadband and a laundry list of other things that should be done, but aren't...
I'm not sure what the ideal solution would look like, but I imagine that we're going to be seeing a lot more of this across the board for all "free" platforms.
Ads suck. They're a privacy/security risk in many cases. A lot of them are straight-up fraudulent, and there's little that the ad servers will do to correct these issues. But also, a vast majority of users will never pay for these services. And video platforms are prohibitively expensive for any other company to maintain.
PeerTube is great, in theory, but for the use-case that most people have in mind when they consider a video platform, it's not exactly filling in the voids that YouTube would leave if they were to close down or otherwise restrict access to their platform.
For me, there's a lot of creators that I watch who would not be able to continue producing the content that I enjoy if not for YouTube and their ad revenue systems. They could move to paid platforms, but would likely end up losing tons of money in the process, and would possibly have to discontinue content creation altogether as it would no longer be sustainable.
I pay for YT Premium so that I can have an ad-free experience while still supporting the channels I watch, which already makes me an outlier. But there is no way that I'd be able to afford to support even a quarter of the creators whose content I love if they were all to move to other platforms. This is a tough situation for everybody involved, and there's no clear better solution than "let the ad mongers continue mongering ads".
nationalize? A global platform? That spells trouble. Big time. I'm assuming you mean "making it owned by the U.S. government"... I as a German take offence to that!
I just mean we need a publicly version of YT. I am aware the logistics of this are ridiculous, the global nature of yt as you point out is a major hurdle. No country I'm aware of has even managed to nationalize their infrastructure so... ya.
That's exactly what premium is. Ad insurance.
Yes, nationalizing YouTube would work, or more so an Internal team, founded by all nations. Btw Germany has some sort of "Youtube", paid by people and not government founded. It's very limited as you can't upload and only watch. The content is also only what is decided by the owners. Theoretically we'd just need to expand that, to allow uploads and get money by more than just the German citizens. I always had that dream, as it would provide a fully ads free platform. Not sure why that isn't already a thing, as video platforms are an integral part of our society by now.
Piped will work as long as youtube allows them too and not a second longer. Reliance on an actor that hates you, isn't the "ideal solution". Newpipe breaks every time google decides they want to change how youtube works and invidio, freetube, piped, etc. all do too when that happens. That's far from ideal.
I know makertube.net is having an issue at the moment where some fairly big maker channels are coming over, and just dumping their entire back catalogue in one go and spamming everything up. It's very annoying, so if you're considering a jump to PT please don't do this. You can import your YT videos as private, and schedule them to publish one by one instead.
The MakerTube admin posted an update just last week saying we had funding through the end of year, but since a load of new people just signed up they've now had to spin up extra resources so that might no longer be the case. How many of these new channels will actually donate remains to be seen!
Edit: Also if you're a viewer, remember you don't need a PeerTube account to subscribe to channels! You can get them in your Lemmy, Mastodon etc feeds and leave comments / upvotes without ever leaving your platform of choice.
Perhaps these services need upload limits during peak hours like Vimeo (still??) has. Or at least throttling uploads over freezing up the whole network
At the very least some kind of server rule asking people not to literally dump 100 hour long videos in a row, but to maybe instead bring their best ones over and take it as an opportunity to leave the trash videos behind!
Makertube admin just posted another update for anyone who's interested what sort of effect this is having and how much hosting such things costs https://mastodon.social/@MakerTube/111268033207325923
any idea why makertube does not appear on fediverse observer?
No idea! I just searched for some of the biggest instances and they're not on there either 🤷♀️
292 TB wow that's is a lot of data , how much data does YouTube have saved then? Exabytes?
Is it? Is it really? I have about 50tb total in storage, and I'm fairly budget conscious. I know people who have hundreds of TB storage.
300TB is in range of what a normal middle class person can put together on a hobby basis.
The maximum I have is like 20 TB.
That is honestly not nearly as much as I thought it would be.
A guess, but easily yes I'm guessing, given 1TB stores like a few YouTube channels and all of their videos? Like not a lot at 1080p or especially 4k.
(Hosted channels on lbry/odysee, I thought I could fit 100 channels in 1TB, I could only do like 8 or 10 when I was done).
Anyone know what options there are for using something like this on an Apple TV?
Good news!
I‘m thinking of hosting a peertube instance just for funzies. It seems like an awesome thing. I just dont „get“ it as much as I get mastodon, lemmy and matrix. Something about the discovery process does not click with me yet. Is anyone making an ios (i know) app soon?
Are Peertube and co working on potential monetisation for creators? I know that's a common complaint over Youtube.
Right now there's just a support button that you can link to your patreon or equivalent.
rip? puffy.tube