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[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 6 minutes ago

As someone who likes to have a fallback way of purchasing digital content that I can remove DRM from, this annoys me.

I can still purchase mp3 and flac files from various online retailers, and I can rip bluray for my movies and tv shows, but now I need a new place to purchase ebooks that are downloadable. Anyone have any recommendations? The first few independent retailers i've found seem to require their own apps.

[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 9 points 11 hours ago

Here's my purely capitalistic problem with Amazon:

A decade+ ago, I realized that major brands were using the site as their outlet store. I'd buy a pack of socks, and they'd be hideously deformed. I'd buy a few pants for work, one pair would be too small, one too large, and one would fit just right. I'm not fucking Goldilocks.

The final straw for me was when my coffee maker broke. I ordered a new one via same day shipping, which at the time had a minimum order of something like $50. The coffee maker did not cost quite enough, so I added something random to the order so that my same day shipping would be free. Ultimately, the coffee maker arrived late (i.e. not the same day) and the decanter was broken.

When I contacted Amazon about the issue, the agent said they could reship, but they wouldn't send it same day so for that specific item it was going to take 3 - 5 days to arrive. They also tried to hassle me with a straight up return, telling me I had to take it to a UPS store, which at the time was 30+ minutes away.

Ultimately, I pulled a Karen and told them to cancel my Amazon Prime, which they did. Only problem is, I was 2 or 3 months into the year long subscription and assumed I'd get a pro-rated refund. I did not. When I got back in touch with customer service, they told me that Amazon adds up the value of the "free" shipping I received, the rental value of the movies and shows I watched on Prime, and the value of all the other services included with Prime and if that total exceeds the remaining value of the Prime subscription, then no refund.

They basically stole almost a year of Prime from me with no recourse.

Scum company. I got a lot of hate for saying this back in those days. But at least now, a decade+ later, people are finally starting to wake up. Not everyone, obviously. But at least I don't get hateful responses and DMs quite as much as I used to.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

library genesis. anna's archive.

chances are, its there.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 17 minutes ago

It's been a while since I've heard about libgen and aa - and actually i'm not sure how they operate with direct downloads of copyrighted material? I find my ebooks through more conventional p2p means, but i've always just assumed that was necessary to avoid sudden takedowns

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago

Fuck Amazon. Delete your account.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I pulled down the eight Kindle books I actually bought, about half of the books in my Kindle library are public domain, stuff like old Sherlock Holmes novels, some FAA handbooks, etc.

Next I guess is Audible. Over the years Audible has offered a lot of free trials with a complimentary audiobook several times, and I've amassed a bit of a collection. Including the edition of The Martian narrated by R.C. Bray you can't get anymore. Those I'd like in mp3 format if I can get it.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

GetLibation.com to download and convert your Audible library

[–] Azal@pawb.social 2 points 11 hours ago

Thank you. Audible was my lifesaver when I was working on the road but I'm definitely on the prepare part.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Like I believe generally everyone needs . waffle eating books should imaginatively teach evil

[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 15 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Unaffected since I've never participated in the Kindle ecosystem. I've been gifted a few Kindles but never was on board with that walled garden. Fuck Amazon.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 13 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Up until fairly recently, you could just drag and drop files onto the Kindle with a usb. I've had my first generation Kindle for almost 15 years now and it still works. Just download an .epub file, convert it to .mobi with Calibre, and drag and drop it over to the Kindle.

I have a newer one too, that I got a couple of years ago as a gift.

The trick is just disable the wifi and never let it communicate with Amazon servers. They will mess with your settings and push secret updates that remove features. For example, it could "sync" your books with your Amazon account if you naively log into your Amazon account and that literally results in you not being able to remove items from your Kindle without logging into your Amazon account on your computer and going through a million menus. It won't let you do it from the Kindle, even if you're offline.

But if you just never let it connect it to the internet at all, you're fine.

Although the new Kindles now require a special Amazon software to copy files over (because of "convenience") and it won't communicate with the usual protocol so you can't drag and drop like you could for the last 15 years.

So yeah, don't buy a Kindle. at least not a new one.

[–] Drewski@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Which generation of kindles requires Amazon software for USB transfer? I've always put mine in airplane mode and just used Calibre. I don't want to buy a newer one that doesn't work without special software.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I'm not sure where exactly they made the switch. Basically, I got my girlfriend one a year and a half ago and it did not need the software. I explained to her to turn off the wifi and just download books and drag and drop.

But then around Christmastime last year my girlfriend's cousin wanted an ebook ready so we bought her a Kindle and I gave the same advice. But she couldn't figure out how to drag and drop, so she brought it over. I was fussing around thinking something was wrong with my USB cable but then I realized it required that special software.

So the switch happened at some point in the last ~18 months or so my memory's a bit hazy

Amazon just couldn't let it be. There's a certain set of people that just aren't going to opt into all the bullshit. These people just want a plain and simple ebook ready to host their ebooks. They think if they force the special software they'll be able to do things like sign into your Kindle and change your settings by force.

But what happens? Instead of gaining those people like me or you into their ecosystem, they're just gonna lose future hardware customers. I would have been perfectly fine buying Kindles for the rest of my life if they had just kept that feature.

I'm sure it's going to be reversed engineered at some point but it's absurd. I don't understand the short-sighted greed.

[–] Schorsch@feddit.org 87 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"your" ebooks. – You never owned them in the first place. And if buying isn't owning, questionably acquired ebooks aren't stolen.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Even after years and years of this being discussed, it shocks me how many people keep dropping money into services which force them to own nothing.

Convenience is a helluva drug.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 points 9 minutes ago

It depends, sometimes you can "buy" digital ownership from these places in the form of DRM-free files. If you are able to download the DRM-free file and make a reliable backup of it, then I could call that actual ownership. This is how I approach my music and ebook libraries. I don't do subscriptions for streaming anything but TV.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Check if it’s available on your library website first, for the sake of the author.

[–] TheMinions@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I mean authors don’t see money anytime someone rents an ebook do they? Libraries just need to pay for licenses to the publisher annually from what I’ve read on reddit/Lemmy.

I can understand renting ebooks so that your library continues to fund a digital library, but if the book is available in paper form that doesn’t really benefit the author either.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

Authors receive 25% of the ebook sale to a library in the US. Frequent lends will also influence future purchases made by the library.

https://janefriedman.com/what-do-authors-earn-from-digital-lending-at-libraries/

Libraries in Canada and the UK pay royalties for each lend.

https://societyofauthors.org/where-we-stand/public-lending-right-plr/

[–] TunaLobster@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago

It's not a great deal for the libraries. They ebooks can come with a limited number of checkouts and cost far more.

I switched to Kobo and have been very happy so far. I was able to download my books from Amazon and mumble and then I was able to read them on my Kobo device and store them in my Calibre library.

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[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 13 points 22 hours ago

I borrow them from my library through the Libby and Hoopla apps. If I want to support the author, I’ll buy a copy through some other means. Directly from them, if possible.

[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I think with applications, like Calibre its relatively painless to save the whole library, if someone is ready to jump ship. Now its the perfect time.

I personally use a Kobo without the online features, which is fantastic, but there are many great Kindle alternatives without the corporate spyware bullshit.

[–] Brewchin@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

Calibre (Kindle) and Libation (Audible) are essential backup tools.

Y'know, in case their servers are down...

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

One more reason not to buy ebooks from Amazon.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 30 minutes ago

I’m glad I started my Amazon boycott earlier. I could’ve lost a lot more e-books.

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I wonder if this is a response to someone jailbreaking all kindles ever the other day

Fuck kindles, get a different brand of ereader that just runs stripped android

[–] IonAddis@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Some have speculated it's complying in advance with stealth editing of books to remove whatever content has been decided to be censored. If you can't download the original copy and keep it, they can change the one you have and make it seem like the original text never existed.

[–] mac@lemm.ee 8 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Lol, my girlfriend just had all of her sideloaded books removed from her kindle today. She just opened her kindle and they were gone

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 hours ago

Book burning

[–] LostXOR@fedia.io 10 points 1 day ago

George Orwell's 1984 becomes more of a reality every day.

[–] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It's because the first few generations of DRM were extremely poorly implemented. My og kindle keyboard still works and will ignore the DRM (that would be locking me out of, for example, a library book after its due date) if you just change the file extension to one of the DRM free file types. It will also then let me distribute that ebook to others without restriction.

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[–] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago

The kobo unes run Linux ootb, and they are as easy to install something like pluto on as an android one, but I still prefer them because I can do all kinds of shinanigans with the command line

Also if they are too expensive for you, just get a used one, as long as they have a backlight you can read just as well on them as a libra color

[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

🤣🤣🤣🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Very happy I got a PocketBook instead of the store locked alternatives

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Good thing then that I never, ever in my entire life have given Amazon a single cent, nor will I.

[–] acoralemelhor@lemm.ee 3 points 17 hours ago

how is that even possible? Congrats anyway

[–] KingGordon@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Honestly? That’s pretty amazing.

[–] ALiteralCabbage@feddit.uk 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Have you paid for a service that uses AWS though? Youay never know if you've funded the big A.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Perfection is the enemy of better

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[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I was able to export (you'll have to remove DRM via plugin) all of my Kindle ebooks into epub using "Method 2a" of this guide:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361503

It's can be a massive pain with some metadata issues, but at least it works.

I've been meaning to do this for years, but have always been too lazy.

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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Buy elsewhere, or simple look up epubs and mail them to kindle

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