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Showerthoughts

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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The best ones are thoughts that many people can relate to and they find something funny or interesting in regular stuff.

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[–] orangeNgreen@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago (3 children)

So, I’m going to stick with Lemmy. But I did check out Reddit the other day out of curiosity. I was disappointed/envious over the many active posts in my former favorite subreddits, and realized how much I miss that level of engagement. At the same time, I was also appalled at how terrible their mobile site is. I couldn’t even read comments because of how terribly they were displayed.

Ultimately, I’m hoping that Lemmy catches up in some capacity. I refuse to go back to Reddit, but really do want that type of community discussion again.

[–] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 11 months ago

I am really a hardcore against corporations and Reddit is the worse. So if Lemmy dies I am not going back to Reddit no matter what.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Are you me? Because you said what I’m thinking 100%

[–] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 11 months ago

My mobile app (Joey) still works for me. I think it's because I'm a moderator on a subreddit. I occasionally visit Reddit, but not nearly as much as I used to.

[–] DrownedRats@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not dying. It's smaller for sure but a social network doesn't need to be big or have a ludicrous number of users to be healthy. Many of the posts I've made have gotten 10x more engagement than equivalent posts on Reddit simply because there's less for it to get lost among.

Personal opinion, but I think generally the users here are nicer and more chill than Reddit. Again, simply because the sheer number of trolls is lower and I don't think bother as much when there's less people to piss off

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Personal opinion, but I think generally the users here are nicer and more chill than Reddit.

That was my experience for a while. Then recently I got blocked by someone who kept downvoting me and getting mad because I didn’t think “kill all republicans” was a healthy way of thinking.

So…I guess like all social media it depends on where you go and with whom you engage.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

at least the blocking system doesn't silence you here. you can still say whatever you want in any thread you want.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

at least the blocking system doesn't silence you here. you can still say whatever you want in any thread you want.

That is quite nice. And how Reddit used to behave before they got stupid.

However one thing I’ve learned is that when someone deletes their post it doesn’t put a “deleted” placeholder in, it completely removes it. So then if someone goes through your comment history they just see you saying something apropos of nothing, which can be missing important context.

I’m thinking about saying goodbye to this site. It’s not been a good few days mentally for me, and my usual retreat (the internet) has just made it worse. I miss the glory days before Reddit became shit.

[–] Redsven@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just went and read that exchange, and the person who blocked you never said what you claimed.

You went to an article about someone who stabbed a child 26 times after killing his mother and told people to be more understanding of republicans and not blame them for all the hatred they promote. You're suprised people got mad at you?

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yes. I was surprised to receive that response when I was decrying killing all republicans.

Calling for the death of nearly half of the people in the United States is despicable.

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[–] empireOfLove@lemmy.one 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't call what reddit is doing "thriving". The experience of what used to make Reddit, Reddit (the deep focused communities) is already quite decayed and has been decaying for some time.

Curate your Lemmy communities better and make an effort to interact as much as possible. Lemmy always feels super dead if you don't actively look for new communities and instances to subscribe to, because the Fediverse is inherently in a changing state of flux of where the activity is. Lemmy does not auto populate your feed with a bunch of algorithm crap, you have to MAKE it show you what you want. I've built up a nice list of 40+ subbed communities and see lots of content.

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[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Reddit is certainly busier. But is it better? Every time I peek back into Reddit I'm overwhelmed by ads and karma-farming reposts. Was it always that bad, or did I just not notice when I was immersed in it? Either way, I'm happier here.

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[–] Rottcodd@lemmy.one 9 points 11 months ago

Personally, I think that Lemmy hit rock bottom relatively shortly after the main Reddit exodus in early July, and has steadily improved since. And more than anything else, I attribute that to users leaving.

The thing is that at least some significant part of the people who have left are people who couldn't or wouldn't appreciate the threadiverse for what it is and instead spent their time whining about the ways in which it isn't the same as Reddit.

And honestly, good riddance to them.

There are always going to be people who can and do appreciate the threadiverse for what it is. Those who are already here will stay and at least some of those who haven't discovered it yet will, and will move here. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

[–] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Not really I think. Lemmy losing users in a slow manner may be true (probably is, if https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats is a representative site) but Reddit thriving, I'm not so sure. I'm only seeing that Reddit is in stagnation currently and I don't mean this in a negative way, it just didn't get new followers. If someone is more active on Reddit, please educate me about your experiences, because I'm only visiting just 1 subreddit basically for some minutes and that's all.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Lemmy losing users in a slow manner may be true

I think you see a clearer picture if you zoom out to before the spike in June: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=150 .

It’s a typical pattern for growing sites: there are sporadic spikes in new users, followed by a leveling-off where about half the new users are retained. So the trend over the past month isn’t a long-term decline, it's the tail end of the leveling-off phase.

[Edit: the above link doesn't work unless you manually remove the “amp;” to yield “https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=150”.]

[–] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

That's absolutely true, actually, I think/hope in the same way as you do too.

[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy is bleeding users, but post and comment count is still growing. I think the multi account migrations have settled down and people are getting used to the new UI.

[–] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you're basing that off solely on the fediverse observer, that may be false. The "Average comments by day" graph is pretty misleading, since it actually shows all the comments that was made on Lemmy on each day. How do you perceive the density of the comments in practice?

[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The “Average comments by day” graph is pretty misleading, since it actually shows all the comments that was made on Lemmy on each day.

I'm sorry, I don't follow. Don't all the comments made that day show an increase?

How do you perceive the density of the comments in practice?

I think it's great compared to what it used to be and just under what I'd like it to be. It's very subjective, but I think that was the question.

[–] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I’m sorry, I don’t follow. Don’t all the comments made that day show an increase?

That's correct and that is why it's misleading. The numbers are way too high to assume it refers to the daily comments only.

I think it’s great compared to what it used to be and just under what I’d like it to be. It’s very subjective, but I think that was the question.

Yeah it's pretty good, although I would like a bit more convo on nicher posts, but it's already amazing how active the Lemmy community is compared to it's userbase size.

[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 2 points 11 months ago

Fair enough, I see your point now. I wonder if that's a flaw in the observer, bots or stat manipulation.

[–] indigojasper@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

i wouldn't know, i haven't been back to reddit

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

By now, it’s become a point of pride. I get annoyed when someone posts a link to reddit. I’m like “Come on. Just show me a screenshot. I’m not going to that cesspool.”

[–] qupada@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah, it's joined Facebook and Twitter on that "do not click" list for me.

You'd think that quitting cold turkey would have been hard, but it somehow just hasn't been.

[–] kux@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

if you want a 1:1 replacement for reddit like .world seems like it wants to be, cloning the interface (https://old.lemmy.world) and the subreddits (e.g. this one) then of course you you will find it lacking, it's the same thing but with only a fraction of the users. lemmy was not made for that, it was for disgruntled communists, you are on their turf

[–] Hoohoo@fedia.io 3 points 11 months ago

disgruntled communists, you are on their turf

XD

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[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

You can leave

[–] FinallyDebunked@slrpnk.net 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Let me prop up my complain. I look for an English community where I can ask questions about the language, and I found one. I put several questions there and have received zero answers in span of a month. Given that it is the largest such community here, I have no options as to turn to Reddit.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Okay, now I have more of an understanding. For broad, general, casual use (like the way I use Lemmy) things are better here. For narrow, specific subjects (like what you need) reddit can still have an edge.

[–] ForestOrca@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Which community? Remember, 1. Ask, 2. Ask someone who can help, 3. Ask until you get the answer you need.

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[–] CarlsIII@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

I really am missing the communities for specific games.

[–] Miclux@lemmings.world 3 points 11 months ago

Isn't it?

Nope.

[–] FQQD@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

wouldn't say so

[–] V17@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

My experience so far has been:

  • "default" reddit, like /r/popular etc. has been worse, because reddit started using some form of "the algorithm" which pretty aggressively pushes controversial subreddits with high engagement, and those tend to be dumb and toxic. Amitheasshole, twohottakes etc. are the most obvious ones.

  • customized, highly selective reddit with as much crap from the frontpage as possible unsubscribed from is not significantly worse than a year ago, but then again, it was already pretty bad a year ago. Since the API changes I've had 3 people block me to get the last word in an argument, for simply disagreeing with them, without me being an asshole. This is quite annoying in a small subreddit where such a person posts regularly, but it may have just been bad luck.

  • Lemmy... Well, 3 things that I probably dislike about reddit the most, not because they're the worst things that happen there, but because they're so damn prevalent, are overmoderation (heavy handed deletions of posts and comment trees, unnecessarily locking threads that are even mildly controversial, things like banning people for ever posting in a controversial community etc.), strong american partisanship where if people realize you don't agree with them on everything with regards to society/politics/culture wars, they immediately assume you're from the opposite american camp and that you must have bad intentions, and finally simply people not being very smart on average.

Well, all three of those problems seem to be just as prevalent on large Lemmy instances, the first two even more in some places. And whereas on reddit many people understood that you're probably not realistically going to be able to create an alternative subreddit to some huge default with hundreds of thousands of users, so the "go make your own subreddit" copout is not very practical, here "go make your own instance" seems to be one of the default reactions to any criticisms.


That said, Tildes seems to be doing okay. It's even smaller and it doesn't really try to be a reddit alternative, but it's considerably smarter and more sane on average than both Reddit and Lemmy.

[–] hiddengoat@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: Lemmy is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Lemmy community when IDC confirmed that Lemmy market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming close on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Lemmy has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Lemmy is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Lemmy's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Lemmy faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Lemmy because Lemmy is dying. Things are looking very bad for Lemmy. As many of us are already aware, Lemmy continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeLemmy is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeLemmy developers Hurka Durr and Tum Tatee only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeLemmy is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenLemmy leader Herp states that there are 7000 users of OpenLemmy. How many users of NetLemmy are there? Let's see. The number of OpenLemmy versus NetLemmy shitposts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetLemmy users. Lemmy/OS shitposts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetLemmy shitposts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Lemmy/OS. A recent article put FreeLemmy at about 80 percent of the Lemmy market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)4 = 36400 FreeLemmy users. This is consistent with the number of FreeLemmy shitposts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeLemmy went out of business and was taken over by LemmyI who sell another troubled OS. Now LemmyI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Lemmy has steadily declined in market share. Lemmy is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Lemmy is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. Lemmy continues to decay. Nothing short of a cockeyed miracle could save Lemmy from its fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Lemmy is dead.

Fact: Lemmy is dying

[–] lorch@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Wow that rant is classic!!

Found an instance of it from 2001!

(First comment in this thread)

[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If you liked working at startups this whole scene is awesome. I contribute a modest amount to the person doing the heavy-lifting from where I use The Federation.

If one is looking for a place to create communitas that only happens before The Enshittification.

Everything else after that is marketing and sales.

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